Stockfish 240114 - Houdini 4 Pro Live Testing @ 5m+3s

[mwyoung]

Stockfish 240114 - Houdini 4 Pro Live Testing @ 5m+3s.

CPU: i7 840
Time Control 5m+3s
Houdini 4 Pro set to default 4 cores.
Stockfish 240114 set to default 4 cores.
Hash=2048.
Opening Book: 2500+ elo book, 8 move limit.
6 man endgame tables on SSD.

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Blitz, Blitz 5m+3s  0

                                      
1   Stockfish 240114 64 SSE4.2   +33  +8/=19/-5 54.69%   17.5/32
2   Houdini 4 Pro x64A           -33  +5/=19/-8 45.31%   14.5/32

[Sedat Canbaz]

Stockfish 240114 - Houdini 4 Pro Live Testing @ 5m+3s.

CPU: i7 840
Time Control 5m+3s
Houdini 4 Pro set to default 4 cores.
Stockfish 240114 set to default 4 cores.
Hash=2048.
Opening Book: 2500+ elo book, 8 move limit.
6 man endgame tables on SSD.

View live in HD:

Code: Select all

Blitz, Blitz 5m+3s  0

                                      
1   Stockfish 240114 64 SSE4.2   +33  +8/=19/-5 54.69%   17.5/32
2   Houdini 4 Pro x64A           -33  +5/=19/-8 45.31%   14.5/32

Thanks Mark, very interesting match, a real duel between the Titans !!

I wonder about the current YouTube LIVE ?!
Are the kns values of the engines falling down , can you check please about there is difference in the kns speed with/without LIVE?
I wonder also, for providing the current LIVE, do you use any external program (in the background)?

I am asking you these questions, because if the speed is not effecting, then maybe I can run/use also YouTube LIVE

Best,
Sedat

[RJN]

Very cool, I'm going to give that a try!!!!

[RJN]

Very nice Mark, thanks a lot for this!
I have a question though, with stockfish it seems that you get around 2.3 Mnps in the early game. Is this correct? It seems rather low to me although I don't own a quad core so I'm not really used to that number.

I'm currently trying this, streaming and waiting for the buffering process to complete. While I can't speak for Mark, the process of live streaming to YouTube is cutting my n/s by more than half! (resolution of 720p).

Mark, how much of a speed hit are you getting doing this?

[mwyoung]

Stockfish 240114 - Houdini 4 Pro Live Testing @ 5m+3s.

CPU: i7 840
Time Control 5m+3s
Houdini 4 Pro set to default 4 cores.
Stockfish 240114 set to default 4 cores.
Hash=2048.
Opening Book: 2500+ elo book, 8 move limit.
6 man endgame tables on SSD.

View live in HD:

Code: Select all

Blitz, Blitz 5m+3s  0

                                      
1   Stockfish 240114 64 SSE4.2   +33  +8/=19/-5 54.69%   17.5/32
2   Houdini 4 Pro x64A           -33  +5/=19/-8 45.31%   14.5/32

Thanks Mark, very interesting match, a real duel between the Titans !!

I wonder about the current YouTube LIVE ?!
Are the kns values of the engines falling down , can you check please about there is difference in the kns speed with/without LIVE?
I wonder also, for providing the current LIVE, do you use any external program (in the background)?

I am asking you these questions, because if the speed is not effecting, then maybe I can run/use also YouTube LIVE

Best,
Sedat

I had to play around with the settings of the encoder. My bandwidth is only 1mbs uploading. But I wanted HD resolution, much nicer to view.

I got the encoder to use less then 10% cpu power by setting the encoder for 720p minimum encoding, and clicked off High performance encoding in the preferences of the encoding software.

As you do not need much encoding for a chess gui window. As the only movement is the time display, evaluation text, and the chess board.

I don't have a powerful system in todays terms, very average now. So far it is working well. Small CPU foot print, and uploading less then 1Mbs to run the live feed.

[mwyoung]

Very nice Mark, thanks a lot for this!
I have a question though, with stockfish it seems that you get around 2.3 Mnps in the early game. Is this correct? It seems rather low to me although I don't own a quad core so I'm not really used to that number.

I'm currently trying this, streaming and waiting for the buffering process to complete. While I can't speak for Mark, the process of live streaming to YouTube is cutting my n/s by more than half! (resolution of 720p).

Mark, how much of a speed hit are you getting doing this?

You have to tweak the settings. See my other post. Set resolution to 720p min. And turn off High quality encoding in the preference window.

Make sure you set canvas to 720p before broadcasting in 720p. If this does not work, broadcast at 480p. It still looks good.

[mwyoung]

Very nice Mark, thanks a lot for this!
I have a question though, with stockfish it seems that you get around 2.3 Mnps in the early game. Is this correct? It seems rather low to me although I don't own a quad core so I'm not really used to that number.

I'm currently trying this, streaming and waiting for the buffering process to complete. While I can't speak for Mark, the process of live streaming to YouTube is cutting my n/s by more than half! (resolution of 720p).

Mark, how much of a speed hit are you getting doing this?

You have to tweak the settings. See my other post. Set resolution to 720p min. And turn off High quality encoding in the preference window.

Make sure you set canvas to 720p before broadcasting in 720p. If this does not work, broadcast at 480p. It still looks good.

PS. Make sure you are not broadcasting in 60FPS. No need from this waste of CPU power. Set to the lowest setting on the free encoder version of the You tube encoder 30 fps.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Stockfish 240114 - Houdini 4 Pro Live Testing @ 5m+3s.

CPU: i7 840
Time Control 5m+3s
Houdini 4 Pro set to default 4 cores.
Stockfish 240114 set to default 4 cores.
Hash=2048.
Opening Book: 2500+ elo book, 8 move limit.
6 man endgame tables on SSD.

View live in HD:

Code: Select all

Blitz, Blitz 5m+3s  0

                                      
1   Stockfish 240114 64 SSE4.2   +33  +8/=19/-5 54.69%   17.5/32
2   Houdini 4 Pro x64A           -33  +5/=19/-8 45.31%   14.5/32

Thanks Mark, very interesting match, a real duel between the Titans !!

I wonder about the current YouTube LIVE ?!
Are the kns values of the engines falling down , can you check please about there is difference in the kns speed with/without LIVE?
I wonder also, for providing the current LIVE, do you use any external program (in the background)?

I am asking you these questions, because if the speed is not effecting, then maybe I can run/use also YouTube LIVE

Best,
Sedat

I had to play around with the settings of the encoder. My bandwidth is only 1mbs uploading. But I wanted HD resolution, much nicer to view.

I got the encoder to use less then 10% cpu power by setting the encoder for 720p minimum encoding, and clicked off High performance encoding in the preferences of the encoding software.

As you do not need much encoding for a chess gui window. As the only movement is the time display, evaluation text, and the chess board.

I don't have a powerful system in todays terms, very average now. So far it is working well. Small CPU foot print, and uploading less then 1Mbs to run the live feed.

Hmm... personally I don't prefer using LIVE encoders for running engine matches, a few years ago I tried those encoders and as far as i remember the engines performed with lower kns values...

For example, during my LIVE SCCT Book Tournaments (for Maximum Engine Performance) for broadcasting, I used external PC and webcam via Stickam site


Best,
Sedat

[Vinvin]

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Nice initiative, Mark.

+1
Thank you for the nice broadcast !

[mwyoung]

Stockfish 240114 - Houdini 4 Pro Live Testing @ 5m+3s.

CPU: i7 840
Time Control 5m+3s
Houdini 4 Pro set to default 4 cores.
Stockfish 240114 set to default 4 cores.
Hash=2048.
Opening Book: 2500+ elo book, 8 move limit.
6 man endgame tables on SSD.

View live in HD:

Code: Select all

Blitz, Blitz 5m+3s  0

                                      
1   Stockfish 240114 64 SSE4.2   +33  +8/=19/-5 54.69%   17.5/32
2   Houdini 4 Pro x64A           -33  +5/=19/-8 45.31%   14.5/32

Thanks Mark, very interesting match, a real duel between the Titans !!

I wonder about the current YouTube LIVE ?!
Are the kns values of the engines falling down , can you check please about there is difference in the kns speed with/without LIVE?
I wonder also, for providing the current LIVE, do you use any external program (in the background)?

I am asking you these questions, because if the speed is not effecting, then maybe I can run/use also YouTube LIVE

Best,
Sedat

I had to play around with the settings of the encoder. My bandwidth is only 1mbs uploading. But I wanted HD resolution, much nicer to view.

I got the encoder to use less then 10% cpu power by setting the encoder for 720p minimum encoding, and clicked off High performance encoding in the preferences of the encoding software.

As you do not need much encoding for a chess gui window. As the only movement is the time display, evaluation text, and the chess board.

I don't have a powerful system in todays terms, very average now. So far it is working well. Small CPU foot print, and uploading less then 1Mbs to run the live feed.

Hmm... personally I don't prefer using LIVE encoders for running engine matches, a few years ago I tried those encoders and as far as i remember the engines performed with lower kns values...

For example, during my LIVE SCCT Book Tournaments (for Maximum Engine Performance) for broadcasting, I used external PC and webcam via Stickam site


Best,
Sedat

I would not let that stop you, if you want to broadcast your games. You can always test with less cores or even 1 core with ponder on or off. And not effect the program at all.

Many people only test with one core, and many rating list rate the programs using one cpu core.

There is nothing wrong in testing with less cores, or you can get a more powerful CPU with more cores. If I am only getting hit less the 10% on the encoder foot print with my 4 year old system.

The encoder foot print would be almost nothing on a state of the art CPU....