Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines.

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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines. Weird end of the game.

Post by Chessqueen »

pepechuy wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:22 am Hi.

Now, the first game against Komodo, taking the h1 rook.
According to the pgn, after move 39 Komodo lost on time.
BUT:
1. I thought engines did not lose on time (certainly not with a 10 second increment).
2. Banksia shows White with still 13 seconds on its clock (I had 3:03 in the final position).
I do NOT feel satisfied winning on time. Especially, since the game was getting interesting, I had just sacrificed my queen for a rook and knight.
I still had material advantage (two rooks and a knight for the queen), as well as an excellent position (at least according to me), but there is still a very long way until checkmate.
¿How can I continue the game? From that position, with the remaining clock times.

[pgn]
[Event "banksia game"]
[Site "*"]
[Date "2022.06.12"]
[Round "*"]
[White "Komodo 13.02 64-bit"]
[Black "hm::Garcia Ruvalcaba, Jose de Jesus"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "3500"]
[Time "16:56:06"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBN1 w Qkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "timeout"]

1. d4 {-4.43/22 36747 24728476} 1... Nf6 2. c4 {-4.42/24 49093 41684569} 2... c5
3. d5 {-4.04/25 31180 23059479} 3... b5 4. cxb5 {-4.11/22 16054 9380095} 4... a6
5. bxa6 {-4.16/24 40934 35126018} 5... Bxa6 6. Nc3 {-4.14/24 43324 36656070}
6... d6 7. e4 {-4.27/25 91929 79860585} 7... Bxf1 8. Kxf1 {-3.91/25 22210
19712586} 8... g6 9. Nge2 {-4.00/25 13271 28191688} 9... Bg7 10. Rb1 {-4.02/23
35567 44957840} 10... O-O 11. g3 {-4.18/25 40863 61974886} 11... Na6 12. Kg2
{-4.15/24 27930 26116971} 12... Qd7 13. f3 {-4.16/26 51886 48280440} 13... Rfb8
14. a3 {-4.33/25 130192 123747809} 14... Nc7 15. a4 {-4.60/23 7655 22233325}
15... Na6 16. Be3 {-4.39/25 57032 55087104} 16... Nb4 17. b3 {-4.44/27 38588
47098521} 17... Qb7 18. Nb5 {-3.99/24 25719 24321964} 18... Ne8 19. Bf4
{-4.42/27 40693 82731936} 19... Nc7 20. Na3 {-4.45/24 31873 23588213} 20... Nba6
21. Nc4 {-3.25/25 26220 22729819} 21... Nb4 22. Bg5 {-4.03/24 38872 37605522}
22... Ne8 23. Bd2 {-3.82/26 72974 68712835} 23... Nf6 24. Bg5 {-3.66/27 39999
38781732} 24... Kf8 25. Nc3 {-3.56/26 26702 26024770} 25... Nd7 26. Nb5
{-3.67/26 14688 14387366} 26... Nb6 27. Nd2 {-3.70/25 33046 31711482} 27... Na6
28. Bf4 {-3.61/24 33938 32848355} 28... Nc7 29. Na3 {-4.09/24 15529 14452745}
29... Qa6 30. Ndc4 {-4.38/27 10 54763829} 30... Nxc4 31. Nxc4 {-4.70/25 18568
23693505} 31... Ne8 32. Na3 {-4.33/24 54337 52279312} 32... Nf6 33. g4 {-4.57/23
10 20639186} 33... Nd7 34. Bg3 {-4.67/24 10 26619760} 34... Ne5 35. f4 {-4.65/23
15203 15577540} 35... Nd3 36. Nc4 {-3.48/23 13799 13173972} 36... Nb4 37. f5
{-3.69/22 1526 9928697} 37... Na2 38. fxg6 {-3.68/23 17314 17544302} 38... hxg6
39. Qf3 {-3.28/24 10782 9612257} 39... Qxc4 {White forfeits on time} 0-1
[/pgn]

I will try to finish this game in a satisfactory way.
Any technical help to achieve it within Banksia is appreciated.

Greetings.
Download Arena Gui, I never had this type of problem ==> http://www.playwitharena.de/
or Cute Chess version 1.2.0 ==>https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/ ... /tag/1.2.0
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines.

Post by Chessqueen »

Your Great game against Komodo 13.02 inspired me to continue it after move 39. Qf3 , so I decided to transfer your game into arena 3.5.1 GUI and continue it myself against Komodo 13.2.

[pgn][Event "Arena 3.5.1 GUI"]
[Date "2022.06.12"]
[White "Komodo 13.02 64-bit"]
[Black "hm::Garcia Ruvalcaba, Jose de Jesus"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Time "16:56:06"]
[WhiteElo "3500"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBN1 w Qkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "117"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 a6 5. bxa6 Bxa6 6. Nc3 d6 7. e4 Bxf1 8.
Kxf1 g6 9. Nge2 Bg7 10. Rb1 O-O 11. g3 Na6 12. Kg2 Qd7 13. f3 Rfb8 14. a3
Nc7 15. a4 Na6 16. Be3 Nb4 17. b3 Qb7 18. Nb5 Ne8 19. Bf4 Nc7 20. Na3 Nba6
21. Nc4 Nb4 22. Bg5 Ne8 23. Bd2 Nf6 24. Bg5 Kf8 25. Nc3 Nd7 26. Nb5 Nb6 27.
Nd2 Na6 28. Bf4 Nc7 29. Na3 Qa6 30. Ndc4 Nxc4 31. Nxc4 Ne8 32. Na3 Nf6 33.
g4 Nd7 34. Bg3 Ne5 35. f4 Nd3 36. Nc4 Nb4 37. f5 Na2 38. fxg6 hxg6 39. Qf3
Qxc4 40. bxc4 Rxb1 41. Qa3 Nb4 42. Qe3 Nc2 43. Qd3 Rxa4 44. Kh3 Rb2 45. Qe2
Na3 46. Qd3 Nxc4 47. Qd1 Nb6 48. Qf3 c4 49. g5 c3 50. Bf4 Rc4 51. Bc1 Be5
52. Kg4 Rb1 53. Qf2 Rxc1 54. Qxb6 c2 55. Qb8+ Kg7 56. Qa7 Rg1+ 57. Qxg1
c1=Q 58. Qxc1 Rxc1 59. h4 {White resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines. Weird end of the game.

Post by pepechuy »

Chessqueen wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:53 pm

Download Arena Gui, I never had this type of problem ==> http://www.playwitharena.de/
or Cute Chess version 1.2.0 ==>https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/ ... /tag/1.2.0
Hi.

I am reluctant to install a second GUI.
But I might do it.
Actually, I chose Banksia because it has some features especially for Lc0, which I thought I would use.
But I do not use them, and Lc0 is not even the engine I play the most against.

So, I will think about installing Arena, or maybe even Winboard.

Oh, I have found a way to resume the game, but resetting the clocks... not with the remaining times we had at the moment of the interruption.
I will try to find a way to properly set the clocks, otherwise we will play with a lot of extra time (:

Greetings.
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines. Weird end of the game.

Post by Chessqueen »

pepechuy wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:25 am
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:53 pm

Download Arena Gui, I never had this type of problem ==> http://www.playwitharena.de/
or Cute Chess version 1.2.0 ==>https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/ ... /tag/1.2.0
Hi.

I am reluctant to install a second GUI.
But I might do it.
Actually, I chose Banksia because it has some features especially for Lc0, which I thought I would use.
But I do not use them, and Lc0 is not even the engine I play the most against.

So, I will think about installing Arena, or maybe even Winboard.

Oh, I have found a way to resume the game, but resetting the clocks... not with the remaining times we had at the moment of the interruption.
I will try to find a way to properly set the clocks, otherwise we will play with a lot of extra time (:

Greetings.
It does not hurt your computer to have 3 or more GUI installed; I have BanKsia, Arena, and Cute Chess. You will never know the difference unless you try them all. Nunca sabrás la diferencia antes que trate mas de un GUI
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines. Weird end of the game.

Post by Chessqueen »

pepechuy wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:25 am
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:53 pm

Download Arena Gui, I never had this type of problem ==> http://www.playwitharena.de/
or Cute Chess version 1.2.0 ==>https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/ ... /tag/1.2.0
Hi.

I am reluctant to install a second GUI.
But I might do it.
Actually, I chose Banksia because it has some features especially for Lc0, which I thought I would use.
But I do not use them, and Lc0 is not even the engine I play the most against.

So, I will think about installing Arena, or maybe even Winboard.

Oh, I have found a way to resume the game, but resetting the clocks... not with the remaining times we had at the moment of the interruption.
I will try to find a way to properly set the clocks, otherwise we will play with a lot of extra time (:

Greetings.
I played this game yesterday using Arena3.5.1 Gui Komodo 13.2 Contempt = 150, I believe that a Rook is too much of an Odd, and once you figured out how to beat it, it becomes routine, I will send this game to my online trainer GM Igor
Computer: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz 3.40 GHz 16.0 GB
[pgn][Event "Komodo Rook a1 Odds"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.02-64bit-bmi2"]
[Black "Picado"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Time "21:22:05"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]


1. Nf3 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nb5 e5 4. Nxe5 Nc6 5. Nf3 a6 6. Na3 Bg4 7. Nc4 Nf6
8. b3 Be7 9. Nce5 Nxe5 10. Nxe5 Bh5 11. Bb2 c5 12. c3 Qd6 13. Nc4 Qf4 14.
f3 Ne4 15. Qc2 Bh4+ 16. g3 Nxg3 17. Kd1 Nxh1 18. cxd4 cxd4 19. Nb6 Rd8 20.
Kc1 O-O 21. Kb1 Qxh2 22. Qc1 Ng3 23. Ba3 Rfe8 24. e3 dxe3 25. dxe3 Nxf1 26.
Qxf1 Bg6+ 27. e4 Rxe4 28. fxe4 Bf6 29. Qd3 Rxd3 30. Bc1 Rxb3+ 31. axb3
Bxe4# *[/pgn]
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines. Weird end of the game.

Post by Guenther »

Chessqueen wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:35 pm
pepechuy wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:25 am
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:53 pm

Download Arena Gui, I never had this type of problem ==> http://www.playwitharena.de/
or Cute Chess version 1.2.0 ==>https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/ ... /tag/1.2.0
Hi.

I am reluctant to install a second GUI.
But I might do it.
Actually, I chose Banksia because it has some features especially for Lc0, which I thought I would use.
But I do not use them, and Lc0 is not even the engine I play the most against.

So, I will think about installing Arena, or maybe even Winboard.

Oh, I have found a way to resume the game, but resetting the clocks... not with the remaining times we had at the moment of the interruption.
I will try to find a way to properly set the clocks, otherwise we will play with a lot of extra time (:

Greetings.
I played this game yesterday using Arena3.5.1 Gui Komodo 13.2 Contempt = 150, I believe that a Rook is too much of an Odd, and once you figured out how to beat it, it becomes routine, I will send this game to my online trainer GM Igor
Computer: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz 3.40 GHz 16.0 GB
[pgn][Event "Komodo Rook a1 Odds"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.02-64bit-bmi2"]
[Black "Picado"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Time "21:22:05"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]


1. Nf3 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nb5 e5 4. Nxe5 Nc6 5. Nf3 a6 6. Na3 Bg4 7. Nc4 Nf6
8. b3 Be7 9. Nce5 Nxe5 10. Nxe5 Bh5 11. Bb2 c5 12. c3 Qd6 13. Nc4 Qf4 14.
f3 Ne4 15. Qc2 Bh4+ 16. g3 Nxg3 17. Kd1 Nxh1 18. cxd4 cxd4 19. Nb6 Rd8 20.
Kc1 O-O 21. Kb1 Qxh2 22. Qc1 Ng3 23. Ba3 Rfe8 24. e3 dxe3 25. dxe3 Nxf1 26.
Qxf1 Bg6+ 27. e4 Rxe4 28. fxe4 Bf6 29. Qd3 Rxd3 30. Bc1 Rxb3+ 31. axb3
Bxe4# *[/pgn]
clear cheat game (again)
https://rwbc-chess.de

[Trolls n'existent pas...]
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines. Weird end of the game.

Post by Chessqueen »

Guenther wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:49 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:35 pm
pepechuy wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:25 am
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:53 pm

Download Arena Gui, I never had this type of problem ==> http://www.playwitharena.de/
or Cute Chess version 1.2.0 ==>https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/ ... /tag/1.2.0
Hi.

I am reluctant to install a second GUI.
But I might do it.
Actually, I chose Banksia because it has some features especially for Lc0, which I thought I would use.
But I do not use them, and Lc0 is not even the engine I play the most against.

So, I will think about installing Arena, or maybe even Winboard.

Oh, I have found a way to resume the game, but resetting the clocks... not with the remaining times we had at the moment of the interruption.
I will try to find a way to properly set the clocks, otherwise we will play with a lot of extra time (:

Greetings.
I played this game yesterday using Arena3.5.1 Gui Komodo 13.2 Contempt = 150, I believe that a Rook is too much of an Odd, and once you figured out how to beat it, it becomes routine, I will send this game to my online trainer GM Igor
Computer: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz 3.40 GHz 16.0 GB
[pgn][Event "Komodo Rook a1 Odds"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.02-64bit-bmi2"]
[Black "Picado"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Time "21:22:05"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]


1. Nf3 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nb5 e5 4. Nxe5 Nc6 5. Nf3 a6 6. Na3 Bg4 7. Nc4 Nf6
8. b3 Be7 9. Nce5 Nxe5 10. Nxe5 Bh5 11. Bb2 c5 12. c3 Qd6 13. Nc4 Qf4 14.
f3 Ne4 15. Qc2 Bh4+ 16. g3 Nxg3 17. Kd1 Nxh1 18. cxd4 cxd4 19. Nb6 Rd8 20.
Kc1 O-O 21. Kb1 Qxh2 22. Qc1 Ng3 23. Ba3 Rfe8 24. e3 dxe3 25. dxe3 Nxf1 26.
Qxf1 Bg6+ 27. e4 Rxe4 28. fxe4 Bf6 29. Qd3 Rxd3 30. Bc1 Rxb3+ 31. axb3
Bxe4# *[/pgn]
clear cheat game (again)
Just because you can NOT beat Komodo 13.02 with a Rook Odds, you do NOT have to act Jelous, But what causes jealousy? Having low self-esteem is the most common cause of jealousy.
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines. Weird end of the game.

Post by Chessqueen »

pepechuy wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:25 am
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:53 pm

Download Arena Gui, I never had this type of problem ==> http://www.playwitharena.de/
or Cute Chess version 1.2.0 ==>https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/ ... /tag/1.2.0
Hi.

I am reluctant to install a second GUI.
But I might do it.
Actually, I chose Banksia because it has some features especially for Lc0, which I thought I would use.
But I do not use them, and Lc0 is not even the engine I play the most against.

So, I will think about installing Arena, or maybe even Winboard.

Oh, I have found a way to resume the game, but resetting the clocks... not with the remaining times we had at the moment of the interruption.
I will try to find a way to properly set the clocks, otherwise we will play with a lot of extra time (:

Greetings.
Jose Garcia Most chess trainers do NOT teach you how to deal with Nervousness and Anxiety, but it is a very important subject even when you play against an engine. Do you feel a lot of pressure when you play versus an engine too? It is a very important issue when you have to play in tournaments against human opponents. ==>
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines.

Post by Chessqueen »

I decided to test Komodo with this position, but it was easier to beat than with a Rook Odds, Guenther Stop writing garbage and pit yourserl against Komodo, you are just Jelous, spend some money training with an online trainer like I am doing but stop being Jelous, :roll:

[pgn][Event "Arena 3.5.1 GUI "]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.20"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.02-64bit-bmi2"]
[Black "Chessqueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Time "10:37:19"]
[WhiteElo "3550"]
[TimeControl "60+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPP1PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "92"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]


1. Qe2 Nc6 2. c3 Nf6 3. b4 d6 4. f3 Nd5 5. g3 e5 6. Bg2 f5 7. f4 e4 8. Bxe4
fxe4 9. Qh5+ Kd7 10. Qxd5 Qe8 11. b5 Nd8 12. Qg5 Qf7 13. Bb2 Ke8 14. c4 Be6
15. b6 axb6 16. Qb5+ Nc6 17. Bc3 Bxc4 18. Qg5 h6 19. Qg4 h5 20. Qh3 d5 21.
Qg2 Bc5 22. a4 Bb3 23. Nh3 Qd7 24. a5 bxa5 25. Ng5 a4 26. h4 Nd4 27. Bxd4
Bxd4 28. Rc1 a3 29. Nxe4 a2 30. Nc5 Bxc5 31. Ra1 Bd4 32. Qf3 Bxa1 33. O-O
Bd4+ 34. Kg2 Bc2 35. d3 Bb1 36. Re1+ Kd8 37. Qf1 Qb5 38. Qe2 Bf6 39. Kh2
a1=Q 40. Qg2 Ra2 41. Re2 Rxe2 42. Qxe2 Bxd3 43. Qg2 Be4 44. g4 Qab2 45.
Qxb2 Qxb2+ 46. Kg3 Qg2# 0-1[/pgn]
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Re: Reboot: rook odds match, human vs engines.

Post by Chessqueen »

I realized that I had the wrong Contempt for Komodo, I forgot and left it at 150 which is supposed to be for Rook Odds,. No wonder why it lost, I was suppose to make the contempt more aggressive.