What are the most aggressive engines?

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Re: What are the most aggressive engines?

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pohl4711 wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:38 am
carldaman wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:33 am
Anyway, any list would have to include Velvet, the engine of the year in 2022, imho.
It is a savage sacker-attacker, while sporting a rating of 3300+ CCRL!! No trading away strength for style here!
Congratz to Martin Honert for creating such a beast!
Yes, but in my full EAS-ratinglist, it can be seen, that the latest version Velvet 5.0.0 lost EAS-points (213205), compared to V4.1.0 (282189). So, I would recommend to use V4.1.0 (plays only -30 Elo weaker than V5.0.0)

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                                  bad  avg.win 
Rank  EAS-Score  sacs   shorts  draws  moves  Engine/player 
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   1    282189  35.59%  42.40%  14.89%   64   Velvet 4.1.0 avx2  
   2    261076  36.44%  35.46%  12.71%   68   Revenge 1.0 avx2  
   3    257404  31.32%  44.61%  15.44%   64   Velvet 4.0.0 avx2  
   4    251243  38.99%  33.01%  09.93%   69   Dragon 3 aggressive  
   5    241188  24.57%  30.02%  22.45%   70   Pedone 3 avx2  
   6    236353  31.95%  34.51%  16.05%   67   Velvet 3.3.0 avx2  
   7    228109  34.52%  33.42%  13.57%   68   Uralochka 3.37c avx2  
   8    224016  31.54%  32.01%  14.46%   70   Danasah 9.0 avx2  
   9    223392  29.38%  36.61%  15.97%   66   Arasan 23.0.1 avx2  
  10    221094  35.15%  29.28%  13.37%   70   Arasan 23.2 avx2  
  11    218065  30.02%  34.50%  13.40%   69   Rebel 14.1 avx2  
  12    213205  27.67%  39.56%  16.03%   65   Velvet 5.0.0 avx2  
  
Great list, by the way, along with the corresponding tool, Stefan! :)

The commercial Revenge 1 is also worth getting. Fabio may offer a nice discount if you're already a customer.
I've been testing Velvet 4.1 and Revenge 1 and can vouch for their impressive and eye-popping attacking styles while playing at their FULL strength! No tweaking necessary!

And yes, I stand corrected, Revenge 1.0 is even stronger than Velvet 4.1.
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Re: What are the most aggressive engines?

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carldaman wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:47 am Great list, by the way, along with the corresponding tool, Stefan! :)

The commercial Revenge 1 is also worth getting. Fabio may offer a nice discount if you're already a customer.
I've been testing Velvet 4.1 and Revenge 1 and can vouch for their impressive and eye-popping attacking styles while playing at their FULL strength! No tweaking necessary!

And yes, I stand corrected, Revenge 1.0 is even stronger than Velvet 4.1.
Thank you!

And, by the way, Pedone 3 is a (freeware!) predecessor of Revenge and plays very aggressive, too (NOT Pedone 3.1!!!). And this engine is free and the download includes an Android-version, too, whichs runs fine in DroidFish or other Android GUIs! (Velvet and Revenge do not have an Android version!)
Download Pedone 3:


And Pedone 3 strength can be adjusted for playing as a human against it. Very nice. And I did a huge experimental-test, to measure the strength with different settings:
https://www.sp-cc.de/experiments.htm

So, Pedone 3 is a great engine for using it in a smartphone/tablet, connected to an electronical chessboard...
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Re: What are the most aggressive engines?

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menniepals wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:01 pm Open Tal, Zappa Mexico 2, Stockfish 12, Benjamin 1.1, Gambit Fruit, Chess Tiger. Anything else?
See here : forum3/viewtopic.php?p=935610#p935610
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Re: What are the most aggressive engines?

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carldaman wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:33 am
Werewolf wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:50 pm Is that list showing aggression or a tendency to sacrifice?
It is kind of hard to always attack and not sac much. I guess the 'aggression' mentioned here also implies kingside attacks.
I suppose it is important to define aggression in this context, so we know what we mean by it.

Anyway, any list would have to include Velvet, the engine of the year in 2022, imho.
It is a savage sacker-attacker, while sporting a rating of 3300+ CCRL!! No trading away strength for style here!
Congratz to Martin Honert for creating such a beast!

The iron fist inside the velvet glove, lol! :mrgreen:

OpenTal is only GM strength, others like Zappa DA may be close, but nothing like Velvet to pack such great strength into that style.
Even the private Nezh I'm familiar with is only of human Super-GM/World Champ strength.
100% agree with you mate (How've you been? Long time no talk).

Velvet was a huge surprise for me, playing like Garry Kasparov in his prime, but with zero inaccuracies.

But plz do remember, OpenTal was designed originally as a Rodent personality to play against me....and I'm far weaker than any GM. :D

I have a feeling Velvet's amazing style was just a "hand of God" moment whilst testing for strength.

Regardless, we are all in awe. :lol:
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Re: What are the most aggressive engines?

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Yes, indeed - glad to see you posting as well, Brendan! :)

Have to say OpenTal is a great achievement, regardless, no ifs and buts... 8-)
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Re: What are the most aggressive engines?

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Arasan is very aggressive against weaker opponents: it will attack given a chance. But I don't see that side of it much, because it's typically playing against stronger engines on the chess servers, and against them, it doesn't often get those attacking chances.
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Re: What are the most aggressive engines?

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jdart wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:10 pm Arasan is very aggressive against weaker opponents: it will attack given a chance. But I don't see that side of it much, because it's typically playing against stronger engines on the chess servers, and against them, it doesn't often get those attacking chances.
As Brendan can also tell you, I believe it is against weaker opposition that the true style comes out.
I test for style more so than strength and my tests are usually lopsided: strong beast vs weaker 'cannon fodder' opponent.