Stockfish Engines

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Re: Stockfish Engines

Post by Chessqueen »

menniepals wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:48 am The overall strength of the later SF is very strong but the slow positional grind it plays allow humans to survive a few more moves than the previous ones. It seems like these versions play around with positional ideas before swooping down on its victims. Maybe this style of play is annoying for other engines to play against. Playing against the insanely strong tactical monsters sf 12 and previous versions did not allow humans that possibility. It was guaranteed crush within 20 moves. I thought that was very exciting.

Not really Stockfish has been the only engine that I tested that found 1. Nf3, therefore in losing by material it is the only program willing to sacrifice in order to get a Draw, besides LCO :roll:

I decided to let Stockfish play at 30 minutes per move or 1800 Sec per move, and it found the only move that Draw, for White, I wonder if Dragon 3.2 can also find 1.Nf3! using 1800 Sec per move :roll:
Note: After the first Move of 1.Nf3 you can change the time per move to only 5 Sec per move, and Stockfish will NOT have any problem blocking the position with pawns making it impossible for the Black side to make any progress with the Extra Queen :mrgreen: .
After Stockfish finally found the only drawing move 1. Nf3! using 1800 per move, I decided to switch the time of only 5 Sec per move for the remaining of the moves, all of you noticed that the position became Blocked by pawns by sacrificing the Rook and the Knight :roll:

[pgn][Event "Find the Draw"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2023.01.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_23012506_x64_avx2"]
[Black "Stockfish_23012506_x64_avx2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3535"]
[Time "14:18:13"]
[WhiteElo "3535"]
[TimeControl "0+1800"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/3n1k2/1p1q1p2/1p4p1/pPpNPpPp/P1P4P/2P1KP2/3R4 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "1"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. Nf3 Qe7 2. Rxd7 Qxd7 3. Ne5+ fxe5 4. f3 Qd6 5. Ke1 Ke6 6. Ke2 Qd5 7. Ke1
Qd7 8. Ke2 Qd6 9. Ke1 Qd5 10. Ke2 Qd7 11. Ke1 Qd5 12. Ke2 Ke7 13. Ke1 Qd7
14. Ke2 Kf8 15. Ke1 Qd8 16. Ke2 Qd5 17. Ke1 Ke7 18. Ke2 Qd8 19. Ke1 Qd6 20.
Ke2 Kf7 21. Ke1 Qd5 22. Ke2 Qd8 23. Ke1 Kf8 24. Ke2 Ke7 25. Ke1 Qd6 26. Ke2
Kd8 27. Ke1 Kc7 28. Ke2 Qd5 29. Ke1 Qd7 30. Ke2 Qd5 31. Ke1 Qd7 32. Ke2 Qd6
33. Ke1 Qd5 34. Ke2 Kd7 35. Ke1 Kd8 36. Ke2 Kc8 37. Ke1 Kd7 38. Ke2 Kc6 39.
Ke1 Qd8 40. Ke2 Kb7 41. Ke1 Qd5 42. Ke2 Ka7 43. Ke1 Ka6 44. Ke2 Ka7 45. Ke1
Kb7 46. Ke2 Qd6 47. Ke1 Qd7 48. Ke2 Kc6 49. Ke1 Qd5 50. Ke2 Qd6 51. Ke1 Qd5
52. Ke2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Qxe4 54. fxe4 Kc7 55. Ke1 Kb7 56. Ke2 Ka7 57. Kf2 Ka8
58. Ke2 Ka7 59. Kf2 Ka8 60. Kf3 Kb7 61. Ke2 Kc6 62. Ke1 Kd7 63. Kd1 Kc7 64.
Ke1 f3 65. Kf2 Kd6 66. Kxf3 Ke7 67. Ke2 Ke6 68. Kf1 Kd6 69. Ke1 Kc6 70. Ke2
Kc7 71. Kf2 Kc6 72. Ke3 *[/pgn]
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Re: Stockfish Engines

Post by Chessqueen »

Chessqueen wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:31 am
menniepals wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:48 am The overall strength of the later SF is very strong but the slow positional grind it plays allow humans to survive a few more moves than the previous ones. It seems like these versions play around with positional ideas before swooping down on its victims. Maybe this style of play is annoying for other engines to play against. Playing against the insanely strong tactical monsters sf 12 and previous versions did not allow humans that possibility. It was guaranteed crush within 20 moves. I thought that was very exciting.

Not really Stockfish has been the only engine that I tested that found 1. Nf3, therefore in losing by material it is the only program willing to sacrifice in order to get a Draw, besides LCO :roll:

I decided to let Stockfish play at 30 minutes per move or 1800 Sec per move, and it found the only move that Draw, for White, I wonder if Dragon 3.2 can also find 1.Nf3! using 1800 Sec per move :roll:
Note: After the first Move of 1.Nf3 you can change the time per move to only 5 Sec per move, and Stockfish will NOT have any problem blocking the position with pawns making it impossible for the Black side to make any progress with the Extra Queen :mrgreen: .
After Stockfish finally found the only drawing move 1. Nf3! using 1800 per move, I decided to switch the time of only 5 Sec per move for the remaining of the moves, all of you noticed that the position became Blocked by pawns by sacrificing the Rook and the Knight :roll:
Note: Learn more about this position ===>
[pgn][Event "Find the Draw"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2023.01.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_23012506_x64_avx2"]
[Black "Stockfish_23012506_x64_avx2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3535"]
[Time "14:18:13"]
[WhiteElo "3535"]
[TimeControl "0+1800"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/3n1k2/1p1q1p2/1p4p1/pPpNPpPp/P1P4P/2P1KP2/3R4 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "1"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. Nf3 Qe7 2. Rxd7 Qxd7 3. Ne5+ fxe5 4. f3 Qd6 5. Ke1 Ke6 6. Ke2 Qd5 7. Ke1
Qd7 8. Ke2 Qd6 9. Ke1 Qd5 10. Ke2 Qd7 11. Ke1 Qd5 12. Ke2 Ke7 13. Ke1 Qd7
14. Ke2 Kf8 15. Ke1 Qd8 16. Ke2 Qd5 17. Ke1 Ke7 18. Ke2 Qd8 19. Ke1 Qd6 20.
Ke2 Kf7 21. Ke1 Qd5 22. Ke2 Qd8 23. Ke1 Kf8 24. Ke2 Ke7 25. Ke1 Qd6 26. Ke2
Kd8 27. Ke1 Kc7 28. Ke2 Qd5 29. Ke1 Qd7 30. Ke2 Qd5 31. Ke1 Qd7 32. Ke2 Qd6
33. Ke1 Qd5 34. Ke2 Kd7 35. Ke1 Kd8 36. Ke2 Kc8 37. Ke1 Kd7 38. Ke2 Kc6 39.
Ke1 Qd8 40. Ke2 Kb7 41. Ke1 Qd5 42. Ke2 Ka7 43. Ke1 Ka6 44. Ke2 Ka7 45. Ke1
Kb7 46. Ke2 Qd6 47. Ke1 Qd7 48. Ke2 Kc6 49. Ke1 Qd5 50. Ke2 Qd6 51. Ke1 Qd5
52. Ke2 Kd7 53. Kf1 Qxe4 54. fxe4 Kc7 55. Ke1 Kb7 56. Ke2 Ka7 57. Kf2 Ka8
58. Ke2 Ka7 59. Kf2 Ka8 60. Kf3 Kb7 61. Ke2 Kc6 62. Ke1 Kd7 63. Kd1 Kc7 64.
Ke1 f3 65. Kf2 Kd6 66. Kxf3 Ke7 67. Ke2 Ke6 68. Kf1 Kd6 69. Ke1 Kc6 70. Ke2
Kc7 71. Kf2 Kc6 72. Ke3 *[/pgn]
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Re: Stockfish Engines

Post by menniepals »

One thing is sure though, SF 13 and above versions, are excellent analysis engines especially with positions that does not call for tactical solutions.