ICCF World Championship 33 Final

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Re: ICCF World Championship 33 Final.

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Ajedrecista wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:44 pm ...
Thx :) such long time controls are out of my range.

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Re: ICCF World Championship 33 Final.

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smatovic wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:31 pmThx :) such long time controls are out of my range.

8 years for a single move!

Today, you could:

1. do nothing for 7 years

2. buy (or rent from Google Compute) the latest equipment

3. do more computing in 1 year than you could have done in the previous 7 on the current technology when you were asked to make a move
Human chess is partly about tactics and strategy, but mostly about memory
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Re: ICCF World Championship 33 Final.

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smatovic wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:55 pm WC13/Final, World Championship 13 Final
This event is played by postal mail.
The start date was 11/1/1989.
The end date was 12/30/1998.
https://www.iccf.com/event?id=35601

Quite a tourney :)

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towforce wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:05 pm
smatovic wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:31 pmThx :) such long time controls are out of my range.

8 years for a single move!

Today, you could:

1. do nothing for 7 years

2. buy (or rent from Google Compute) the latest equipment

3. do more computing in 1 year than you could have done in the previous 7 on the current technology when you were asked to make a move
Hehe, the mentioned WC13/Final took place from 1989 to 1998, in the 90s we had the MHz race, the 486@33Mhz with ~28MIPS was released 1989, the PentiumII@450MHz with >1000MIPS was released 1998, must have been fun.

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Re: ICCF World Championship 33 Final

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I searched to see if there is a tournament that is some stage for ICCF world championship when all games are draws and I found one

https://www.iccf.com/event?id=93192

It seems all the participants of group 8 are mentioned to be the winners and they qualify for the next stage of the world iccf chess championship.

https://www.iccf.com/event?id=91475
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I wanted to look at the games of the leader of the iccf rating list.
The rating list is a joke.

I found that the leader is a woman and she played clearly weaker than stockfish so she lost a game recently.

https://www.iccf.com/game?id=1367596
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In the relevant game it seems 23...Nc6 is the losing mistake when stockfish suggested 23...Bd5.

23...Nc6 is suggested after some minutes by old fruit2.1

It seems that all the top players quit correspondence chess or lost rating and Olita Rause came back recently to play correspondence chess and it is the reason she has the highest ranking out of the active players.
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Ms Rause used to be a pretty controversial figure, even when she was still playing regularly :).
The development of ratings actually confirms that correspondence chess is a dead sport. People at the top are those that used to be active at about the time the engines took over.
If we assume that no one can beat Stockfish (as we both do), those at the top will always stay there (just drop a bit rating if they play) , and those further down will never rise.
I happen to know the number 4 of this list pretty well in real life - a very nice, intelligent and reasonable guy. He says, that he will never lose a correspondence game again: I believe him.
If you look at the decided games these days and omit clerical errors and people who die during a tournament, it is always the human part of the team that is the problem. People want to try unusual openings, or they don't give their computer enough time - or they lose interest on the tournament after some time. Discipline seems very important - it is unclear how far it could take you, but at some point in time you'll just draw all your games anyway, not a fascinating dream scenario. ;)
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In Rause game 23.-Nc6 is ? and 24.-Nxd4 ?? That's the level of ICCF top games :o :shock: ? SF sees this in one second.
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