lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 3:08 am
Having played a bullet chess match with LeelaQueenOdds (drawn) and a blitz chess match with LeelaKnightOdds (lost 14 to 2), Hikaru completed the trilogy today by playing a blitz (3'2") match with LeelaRookOdds. Despite taking White in eight of the fourteen games ("rook and move" odds), he lost by 9.5 to 4.5 (seven wins for Leela, two for Hikaru, five draws). Although this was noticeably better than his result at knight odds, Hikaru expected the larger handicap to make more of a difference, and was surprised to lose the match, especially by such a score. One factor was that the bot hardware was upgraded from 4090 to 5090 between the matches, but this was probably just a modest help. Although he claimed to be "on tilt" after many losses, both of his wins came near the end, so that cannot be responsible for the result. I don't believe anyone else has made an even or positive score at rook odds at 3'2" or faster against the current net, so it remains an open question as to whether anyone can surpass Hikaru's score under these conditions. The matches do seem to show that although rook odds is larger than knight odds, it is not so much larger as many might have thought.
A break along the way.
It's often important in life's journey to take a break. After having played against the computer LeelaQueenOdds 8,731 times, Catecan and I decided to chat on a full moon night and analyze and evaluate the experience. Furthermore, the perspective to follow deserves special care. The vast majority of games have been played with white pieces and in one-minute bullet time control with no increments. New teams and their steeds grace the landscape. Selfless noblemen and their faithful mounts often accompany each other without realizing it... We wanted to publish this game, which shows us the infinite finiteness of chess.
Leelabots is a brilliant inventio!!
The recursiveness of the LeelaQueenOdds robot is pure and simple "an algorithmic genius." I've lost many times to the robot, yet I see this way of losing as pure gain, having participated in a small miniature work of art created by the machine's programmers and the entire human chain of tragic scientific advancement.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 3:08 am
Having played a bullet chess match with LeelaQueenOdds (drawn) and a blitz chess match with LeelaKnightOdds (lost 14 to 2), Hikaru completed the trilogy today by playing a blitz (3'2") match with LeelaRookOdds. Despite taking White in eight of the fourteen games ("rook and move" odds), he lost by 9.5 to 4.5 (seven wins for Leela, two for Hikaru, five draws). Although this was noticeably better than his result at knight odds, Hikaru expected the larger handicap to make more of a difference, and was surprised to lose the match, especially by such a score. One factor was that the bot hardware was upgraded from 4090 to 5090 between the matches, but this was probably just a modest help. Although he claimed to be "on tilt" after many losses, both of his wins came near the end, so that cannot be responsible for the result. I don't believe anyone else has made an even or positive score at rook odds at 3'2" or faster against the current net, so it remains an open question as to whether anyone can surpass Hikaru's score under these conditions. The matches do seem to show that although rook odds is larger than knight odds, it is not so much larger as many might have thought.
A break along the way.
It's often important in life's journey to take a break. After having played against the computer LeelaQueenOdds 8,731 times, Catecan and I decided to chat on a full moon night and analyze and evaluate the experience. Furthermore, the perspective to follow deserves special care. The vast majority of games have been played with white pieces and in one-minute bullet time control with no increments. New teams and their steeds grace the landscape. Selfless noblemen and their faithful mounts often accompany each other without realizing it... We wanted to publish this game, which shows us the infinite finiteness of chess.
Leelabots is a brilliant inventio!!
The recursiveness of the LeelaQueenOdds robot is pure and simple "an algorithmic genius." I've lost many times to the robot, yet I see this way of losing as pure gain, having participated in a small miniature work of art created by the machine's programmers and the entire human chain of tragic scientific advancement.
** ** Correction: The word or expression "tragic" is a dictionary error; it reads "portentous" instead.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.