Last Rybka Thread for now...

[M ANSARI]

I can't believe these types of threads are still active. The author of Rybka clearly stated that he went through Fruit's code inside out and credited Fruit for improving his engine by a certain amount of ELO. The author of Fruit acknowledged that and clearly stated that there was no "copying" of code in Strelka and that the parts that were similar were re-written ... confirming what Vas had said. In the final analogy Rybka's strength does not come from Fruit ... it comes from a different evaluation and different search, which are the heart and soul of every engine. Only that can explain the vastly superior abilities of Rybka. Anyway why are we talking about Rybka 1.0 when Rybka 3 is out and clearly has left Rybka 1.0 in the dust. Why people want to put different spins on this very straightforward story is beyond comprehension ... unless there is an ulterior motive that is.

[Terry McCracken]

One outcome that perhaps will be occasion for celebration is that Zack Wegner, Norman Schmit, and Terry McCracken, "the GPL police" and innocent "seekers after truth", will enter the CCC hall of fame with the debatable distinction, honor and satisfaction of having nailed Vas, distroyed Rybka and taken computer chess to the good old days. Then what?

What nonsense. If you had followed our replies you wouldn't make such fallacious accusations.

I will speak cleary one more time. I have no interests in hurting Vas or his brainchild, I want Vas to continue his work with Rybka no matter what.

All I want is the truth and Vas make amends if nescessary. But I don't what him to quit ever!


I believe no one wants to Get Vas or get his secrets by forcing him to reveal his code.

Ridiculous.

[Terry McCracken]

2) Does Fabien, the author of Fruit, believe that Vas has overstepped the line and plagerized? (no)

Please tell me, Joseph, if I kill X's mother and X forgives me am I innocent?

Hmmm - not quite the same as murder Gabor.
Anyway, the prosecution still have to present their findings and their questions in entirety before the defence responds.

Even we CCRL testers have differing opinions.

Cheers, Graham.

I think the point is that Fabien's blessing (which does not even exist as far as I know) does not imply that we must be blind about what happened.



// Christophe

What has 'supposedly' happened hasn't been proven yet and your 'proof' might well get refuted anyway.
I think that Vas's request is perfectly reasonable. Put your case together in its entirety with the questions you'd like answered. Then let him have the chance to respond rather than trying to execute him before he's had that chance.

When have you become an expert on this topic? You know better than Christophe et al? Why do you listen to Chris who talks in circles? Why is Ed better than Bob, Zach, Christophe et al?

What do you need? God to annouce a verdict? This is all too far out in left field and very, very obtuse.


Stick with testing. Please!

[GenoM]

When have you become an expert on this topic? You know better than Christophe et al? Why do you listen to Chris who talks in circles? Why is Ed better than Bob, Zach, Christophe et al?

What do you need? God to annouce a verdict? This is all too far out in left field and very, very obtuse.


Stick with testing. Please!

Graham is standing so firmly just behind Rybka. Other engines suspected to be clones didn't receive his firm vindication.
Just an observation.
Regards,
Geno

[kranium]

What has 'supposedly' happened hasn't been proven yet and your 'proof' might well get refuted anyway.
I think that Vas's request is perfectly reasonable. Put your case together in its entirety with the questions you'd like answered. Then let him have the chance to respond rather than trying to execute him before he's had that chance.

Graham,
Vas has not answered any of the initial questions yet, and they were posted quite some time ago. We are not pressing it...he can take as much time as he likes to respond.

but according to you, while we're waiting for his response, the onus is squarely on us to (instantly/quickly) produce a 'case'?

it not up to you and Chris to determine if anything else needs to be presented. it is not a court case, there is no judge, and you're not the judge.

and we have all clearly stated on multiple occassions, that we do not think that Vas should stop, in any event, even if the worse case scenario is true. No one is calling for an 'execution'...that's absurd.

[BubbaTough]

No one is calling for an 'execution'

That is right. I for one, am calling for more executables though!

[kranium]

No one is calling for an 'execution'

That is right. I for one, am calling for more executables though!

Hey Sam,

i think i understand why you call for more...

-> when your versions start to become too numerous, they march to a cliff and throw themselves off!

automatic revision control!

[Titu]

When have you become an expert on this topic? You know better than Christophe et al? Why do you listen to Chris who talks in circles? Why is Ed better than Bob, Zach, Christophe et al?

What do you need? God to annouce a verdict? This is all too far out in left field and very, very obtuse.


Stick with testing. Please!

Graham is standing so firmly just behind Rybka. Other engines suspected to be clones didn't receive his firm vindication.
Just an observation.
Regards,
Geno

There are always supporters and anti-supporters, nothing wrong with that.

Some people (Bob, you etc) here always been anti-Rybka long before these "clone" accusations recently. Those people just got more wind in their sails because of these new accusations. Obviously those people will deny they were ever anti-Rybka, they are just discussing science now, no other motives.

Basically those people, who had anything against Rybka 1 year ago, are the same people who are complaining about Rybka now. But it looks like that the "anti-Rybka" group has not added any new programmers in to their group with their new "clone" accusations.

[BubbaTough]

Hey Sam,

i think i understand why you call for more...

-> when your versions start to become too numerous, they march to a cliff and throw themselves off!

automatic revision control!

Good catch! A year or two ago I had a pretty strong version that had some bugs that would cause it to do odd things if when it was winning. You should have seen the author of Prophet giggle in our four game match as LearningLemming would get a won game each time and slowly wiggle its way off the cliff .

-Sam

[Terry McCracken]

When have you become an expert on this topic? You know better than Christophe et al? Why do you listen to Chris who talks in circles? Why is Ed better than Bob, Zach, Christophe et al?

What do you need? God to annouce a verdict? This is all too far out in left field and very, very obtuse.


Stick with testing. Please!

Graham is standing so firmly just behind Rybka. Other engines suspected to be clones didn't receive his firm vindication.
Just an observation.
Regards,
Geno

There are always supporters and anti-supporters, nothing wrong with that.

Some people (Bob, you etc) here always been anti-Rybka long before these "clone" accusations recently. Those people just got more wind in their sails because of these new accusations. Obviously those people will deny they were ever anti-Rybka, they are just discussing science now, no other motives.

Basically those people, who had anything against Rybka 1 year ago, are the same people who are complaining about Rybka now. But it looks like that the "anti-Rybka" group has not added any new programmers in to their group with their new "clone" accusations.

I have never been or will be anti-Rybka and never will be. I can't read other's minds but your message is in error.

You're right there're sheeple that follow with blind faith due to emotion, and then they walk right of the cliff one after the other.

The body count is rising.