Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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rlsuth
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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Milos wrote:
rlsuth wrote:I think Anand just blundered with Bc6 didn't he?
Sure, that's what happens when you are under pressure and in zeitnot and you don't have a bunch of 3200 elo engines to make it easy for you.
That's what human means...

A simple "yes" or "no" would have sufficed.
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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Sven Schüle wrote:
Milton wrote:Game 8 not looking too good for the champ.
Why?

While engines favor White here with a pawn up, serious chess players know that such a position with unlike bishops is a draw. White can't make progress. Positions where no progress can be made although there is a clearly positive static evaluation are sometimes difficult for engines.

Sven
What blunder did Anand make after this position to lose the game?
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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Milton wrote:
Sven Schüle wrote:
Milton wrote:Game 8 not looking too good for the champ.
Why?

While engines favor White here with a pawn up, serious chess players know that such a position with unlike bishops is a draw. White can't make progress. Positions where no progress can be made although there is a clearly positive static evaluation are sometimes difficult for engines.

Sven
What blunder did Anand make after this position to lose the game?
54...Bc6?? while 54...Ke8 would continue to look as a clear draw.

EDIT: only one question mark for Bc6 is certainly more appropriate.

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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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muxecoid wrote:Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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rlsuth wrote:
muxecoid wrote:Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.
Hint. Try something else for the analysis. You know, Rybka is an old news...
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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Milos wrote:
rlsuth wrote:
muxecoid wrote:Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.
Hint. Try something else for the analysis. You know, Rybka is an old news...
Do you serve any purpose on this forum, other than to be a trolling asshole?
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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Milos wrote:
rlsuth wrote:
muxecoid wrote:Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.
Hint. Try something else for the analysis. You know, Rybka is an old news...

It's ok, I see it now. The Bishop goes to g7 and the pawn to g6, allowing the white king to move across to the center with black's king frozen.
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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rlsuth wrote:
muxecoid wrote:Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.
For instance,
Kh6 -> Bg7 -> g6 then hxg6 Kxg6 -> Kf6 -> Bh6 -> Ke7

As I said many moves ago. With the scheme K defending h7 and B defending d7, taking the pawn to g6 wins. I do not understand why Anand allowed this so easily.

Miguel
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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rlsuth wrote:
muxecoid wrote:Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.

Hi Richard the win lies in taking away the mobility of the black king via Bg7 !

for example lets say, ....56 Be8 f4 bd7 g5 Be8 Bg7! black is lost!


This is just one line , however, black is helpless and cannot stop this plan.
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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rlsuth wrote:It's ok, I see it now. The Bishop goes to g7 and the pawn to g6, allowing the white king to move across to the center with black's king frozen.
Yes, and if black tries Be8 to prevent white from playing g6 then white has the tempo move b3. Finally white wins the pawn ending after exchanging bishops and then eating b7+a6.

Sven