Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

[alpha123]

Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.

Well IvanHoe 999963b x64 on my quad gives it as +9.19 after 11 minutes....

Oh, and why are you using Rybka for the endgame??? There are stronger (and cheaper) engines.....

GM_Topalov - GM_Anand, 2010
6k1/1p5p/p1bPp2K/P3B3/6P1/5P2/1P6/8 b - g3 0 1

Analysis by IvanHoe 9.63b x64:

+- (8.59 --) Depth: 27 00:07:34 3922mN, tb=1949352
56...Be8 57.f4 Bd7 58.g5 Bc8 59.Bg7 e5 60.fxe5 Kf7 61.Kxh7 Bf5+ 62.Kh6 Be6 63.g6+ Kg8 64.Bf6 Bc8 65.g7 Be6 66.Kg6 Bd7 67.e6 Bxe6 68.Be5 Bc8 69.Bf4 Be6 70.Kf6 Bg4 71.Ke7 Bc8 72.d7 Bxd7 73.Kxd7 Kf7 74.Bh2 b6 75.axb6 Kxg7
+- (9.19 --) Depth: 27 00:10:19 5438mN, tb=2790402

Peter

[Sven]

54...Ke8 would continue to look as a clear draw.

54...Ba4 would probably also draw and would be even less risky and more straightforward than my proposal Ke8.

Analysis of Stockfish 1.7.1 on my Core2Duo 2.5 GHz, after 54....Ba4 instead of 54...Bc6?:
[d]
39 +1.05 275.5M 3:24.99 g4 Ke8 f4 Bc2 Kf6 Kd7 f5 exf5 gxf5 h6 Bg3 Bd3 Ke5 h5 f6 Bg6 Kf4 h4 Bxh4 Kxd6 Kg5 Bf7 Kf5 Kd5 Bg3 Be8 Bf4 Bf7 Bg5 Bh5 Be3 Bf7 Bf4 Be8 Bh6 Bf7 Be3 Bh5 Bg5 Bf7 Bh4 Kd6 Bg3+ Kd5 b3 Kc5 Ke5 Bxb3 Bf2+ Kc6
ending in this drawn position, after not having seen any progress for white:
[d]

Sven

[Robert Flesher]

Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.

For instance,
Kh6 -> Bg7 -> g6 then hxg6 Kxg6 -> Kf6 -> Bh6 -> Ke7

As I said many moves ago. With the scheme K defending h7 and B defending d7, taking the pawn to g6 wins. I do not understand why Anand allowed this so easily.

Miguel

Maybe you should be playing Topalov then, but remember you'd have to leave your engine at home

[michiguel]

I think Anand just blundered with Bc6 didn't he?

He obviously did. Bc6?? +- but IMO Ke8 =.

Sven

Not a dead draw yet... but still...

As I said before, Anand should have kept the Bishop between b5 and a4, to have always the chance to switch to b3 and c2!! Unless he never consider that plan, but I do not see why.

Unbelievable.

Miguel

[michiguel]

Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.

For instance,
Kh6 -> Bg7 -> g6 then hxg6 Kxg6 -> Kf6 -> Bh6 -> Ke7

As I said many moves ago. With the scheme K defending h7 and B defending d7, taking the pawn to g6 wins. I do not understand why Anand allowed this so easily.

Miguel

Maybe you should be playing Topalov then, but remember you'd have to leave your engine at home

I did not use any engine in any of my comments. They are useless to make up plans in these endgames, which is the only way to analyze them.
I was trying to give you guys a human perspective about how to play this, so I do not understand the sarcasm. Next time I will keep the comments to myself.

Miguel

[rlsuth]

Oh, and why are you using Rybka for the endgame??? There are stronger (and cheaper) engines.....

I was trying to see if I could figure out the win for myself and just had whatever engine was loaded in the analysis window for when I got stuck.

[Michel]

I was trying to give you guys a human perspective about how to play this, so I do not understand the sarcasm. Next time I will keep the comments to myself.

Please don't. Your comments are much appreciated.

[rlsuth]

I did not use any engine in any of my comments. They are useless to make up plans in these endgames, which is the only way to analyze them.
I was trying to give you guys a human perspective about how to play this, so I do not understand the sarcasm. Next time I will keep the comments to myself.

Miguel

Don't do that Miguel, just do what I do and ignore the unhelpful comments. I also enjoy trying to see if I can see what is going on without resorting to the engine output, but most of the time, I don't have a clue. lol

[michiguel]

I did not use any engine in any of my comments. They are useless to make up plans in these endgames, which is the only way to analyze them.
I was trying to give you guys a human perspective about how to play this, so I do not understand the sarcasm. Next time I will keep the comments to myself.

Miguel

Don't do that Miguel, just do what I do and ignore the unhelpful comments. I also enjoy trying to see if I can see what is going on without resorting to the engine output, but most of the time, I don't have a clue. lol

sorry... I overreacted...

Miguel

[AdminX]

Shouldn't it be a draw with opposite squared bishops?

I don't know why Anand resigned. Yes, he made the position worse with Bc6, but I (and Rybka) don't see the path to victory for white.

For instance,
Kh6 -> Bg7 -> g6 then hxg6 Kxg6 -> Kf6 -> Bh6 -> Ke7

As I said many moves ago. With the scheme K defending h7 and B defending d7, taking the pawn to g6 wins. I do not understand why Anand allowed this so easily.

Miguel

Maybe you should be playing Topalov then, but remember you'd have to leave your engine at home

I did not use any engine in any of my comments. They are useless to make up plans in these endgames, which is the only way to analyze them.
I was trying to give you guys a human perspective about how to play this, so I do not understand the sarcasm. Next time I will keep the comments to myself.

Miguel

I agree, they are useless when it comes to planning, which is the roadmap that most humans go by.