A historical game

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peter
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Re: A historical game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: But asking me if I intend to repeat an early Rg8, as done by Komodo with bad results, is mean, as I always want to prove Komodo wrong. And the only way to do so was to play myself an early Rg8 subconschiously, although consciously I knew it was the wrong plan.

Rote Karte, Peter! :D
:D
Getting more and more pleasure out of this chat with you, my dear!

You did notice already, that you showed this Rote Karte to yourself in the second game with Louis, did you?
I mean even with playing 2...Rg8 just just (German justament), if I got that right, if you only had already known then, that 2...Rg8 wasn't Komodo at all, it was me respectivley you yourself with the first plan Kh8-Rg8, which I then simply took as first two moves arbitrarily!
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: PS. Btw., you will now see after Louis replies to my latest move how engines are beaten with the appropriate strategy without using any engine help.


I indeed start to wish you were right a little bit, even if it would prove me wrong.
:)
Peter.
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Re: A historical game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: As I am playing entirely on my own now Louis, I would like to surprise you with a funny system. My move is ab5.

[d]r2qr2k/nppn2b1/3p3p/Pp1Pp1p1/2P1Pp2/5N1P/1B1NQPP1/R1R3K1 w - - 0 7
I'm back. Stockfish plays cxb5:

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info depth 39 seldepth 64 multipv 1 score cp 131 nodes 159408437791 nps 20652370 time 7718651 pv c4b5 d7f6 e2c4 e8e7 a1a3 a8b8 a3b3 b7b6 a5a6 d8e8 c4e2 b8c8 f3h2 f6d7 b2a3 h8g8 b3b1 g7f8 b1b2 f8g7 b2b3 g7f8 b3b1 e8g6 a3b4 f8g7 c1c3 d7f6 h2g4 h6h5 g4f6 g7f6 g2g4 h5g4 e2g4 c8f8 b4a3 e7g7 g4e6 g8h8 e6f5 g6f5 e4f5 g5g4
[d]r2qr2k/nppn2b1/3p3p/PP1Pp1p1/4Pp2/5N1P/1B1NQPP1/R1R3K1 b - - 0 7
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Re: A historical game

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: As I am playing entirely on my own now Louis, I would like to surprise you with a funny system. My move is ab5.

[d]r2qr2k/nppn2b1/3p3p/Pp1Pp1p1/2P1Pp2/5N1P/1B1NQPP1/R1R3K1 w - - 0 7
I'm back. Stockfish plays cxb5:

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info depth 39 seldepth 64 multipv 1 score cp 131 nodes 159408437791 nps 20652370 time 7718651 pv c4b5 d7f6 e2c4 e8e7 a1a3 a8b8 a3b3 b7b6 a5a6 d8e8 c4e2 b8c8 f3h2 f6d7 b2a3 h8g8 b3b1 g7f8 b1b2 f8g7 b2b3 g7f8 b3b1 e8g6 a3b4 f8g7 c1c3 d7f6 h2g4 h6h5 g4f6 g7f6 g2g4 h5g4 e2g4 c8f8 b4a3 e7g7 g4e6 g8h8 e6f5 g6f5 e4f5 g5g4
[d]r2qr2k/nppn2b1/3p3p/PP1Pp1p1/4Pp2/5N1P/1B1NQPP1/R1R3K1 b - - 0 7
My move is b6.

[d]r2qr2k/n1pn2b1/1p1p3p/PP1Pp1p1/4Pp2/5N1P/1B1NQPP1/R1R3K1 w - - 0 8
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Re: A historical game

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

Louis, you might also surrender, if you consider the position after b6 won for black. :D
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Re: A historical game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Louis, you might also surrender, if you consider the position after b6 won for black. :D
I think I'll give Stockfish a few more moves before I throw in the towel. :wink:

SF plays Nh2:

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info depth 40 seldepth 54 multipv 1 score cp 147 nodes 44337705406 nps 20392699 time 2174195 pv f3h2 e8e7 c1c3 a7c8 a5a6 c8a7 b2a3 a8c8 a1c1 d7f6 h2g4 d8e8 c1b1 h6h5 g4f6 g7f6 d2f3 e7g7 f3h2 e8g6 f2f3 h8g8 c3c2 g6e8 b1b3 c8a8 a3b2 g7f7 e2c4 f7g7 b2c3 e8d7 c4e2 g7h7 b3b2 h7g7 b2b4 d7e8 e2c4 g7f7 b4b3
[d]r2qr2k/n1pn2b1/1p1p3p/PP1Pp1p1/4Pp2/7P/1B1NQPPN/R1R3K1 b - - 1 8
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Re: A historical game

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zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Louis, you might also surrender, if you consider the position after b6 won for black. :D
I think I'll give Stockfish a few more moves before I throw in the towel. :wink:

SF plays Nh2:

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info depth 40 seldepth 54 multipv 1 score cp 147 nodes 44337705406 nps 20392699 time 2174195 pv f3h2 e8e7 c1c3 a7c8 a5a6 c8a7 b2a3 a8c8 a1c1 d7f6 h2g4 d8e8 c1b1 h6h5 g4f6 g7f6 d2f3 e7g7 f3h2 e8g6 f2f3 h8g8 c3c2 g6e8 b1b3 c8a8 a3b2 g7f7 e2c4 f7g7 b2c3 e8d7 c4e2 g7h7 b3b2 h7g7 b2b4 d7e8 e2c4 g7f7 b4b3
[d]r2qr2k/n1pn2b1/1p1p3p/PP1Pp1p1/4Pp2/7P/1B1NQPPN/R1R3K1 b - - 1 8
Louis, I go with you until white's a6, and then choose Nc5 instead of Na7.

[d]r1nq3k/2p1r1b1/Pp1p3p/1PnPp1p1/4Pp2/2R4P/1B1NQPPN/R5K1 w - - 0 11
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Re: A historical game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Louis, I go with you until white's a6, and then choose Nc5 instead of Na7.

[d]r1nq3k/2p1r1b1/Pp1p3p/1PnPp1p1/4Pp2/2R4P/1B1NQPPN/R5K1 w - - 0 11
SF plays Rb1:

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info depth 40 seldepth 55 multipv 1 score cp 141 nodes 6055587401 nps 18813416 time 321876 pv a1b1 d8e8 b2a3 e8g6 a3c5 d6c5 d2c4 h6h5 g2g4 h5h4 h2f3 c8d6 c3a3 h8g8 c4d6 c7d6 f3d2 g6e8 d2c4 e8d8 b1c1 e7d7 a3c3 d7a7 c3c2 g7f6 f2f3 a7e7 c2a2 a8a7 g1g2 e7f7 e2d2 d8c7 d2d3 g8f8 a2c2 f8e8 d3e2 e8f8
[d]r1nq3k/2p1r1b1/Pp1p3p/1PnPp1p1/4Pp2/2R4P/1B1NQPPN/1R4K1 b - - 2 11
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Re: A historical game

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Louis, I go with you until white's a6, and then choose Nc5 instead of Na7.

[d]r1nq3k/2p1r1b1/Pp1p3p/1PnPp1p1/4Pp2/2R4P/1B1NQPPN/R5K1 w - - 0 11
SF plays Rb1:

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info depth 40 seldepth 55 multipv 1 score cp 141 nodes 6055587401 nps 18813416 time 321876 pv a1b1 d8e8 b2a3 e8g6 a3c5 d6c5 d2c4 h6h5 g2g4 h5h4 h2f3 c8d6 c3a3 h8g8 c4d6 c7d6 f3d2 g6e8 d2c4 e8d8 b1c1 e7d7 a3c3 d7a7 c3c2 g7f6 f2f3 a7e7 c2a2 a8a7 g1g2 e7f7 e2d2 d8c7 d2d3 g8f8 a2c2 f8e8 d3e2 e8f8
[d]r1nq3k/2p1r1b1/Pp1p3p/1PnPp1p1/4Pp2/2R4P/1B1NQPPN/1R4K1 b - - 2 11
I go along with you until h5.

[d]r1n4k/2p1r1b1/Pp4q1/1PpPp1pp/2N1Pp2/2R4P/4QPPN/1R4K1 w - - 0 15

Let us see what SF will now play.
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Re: A historical game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: I go along with you until h5.

[d]r1n4k/2p1r1b1/Pp4q1/1PpPp1pp/2N1Pp2/2R4P/4QPPN/1R4K1 w - - 0 15

Let us see what SF will now play.
g4

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info depth 40 seldepth 47 multipv 1 score cp 148 nodes 1811794865 nps 17670358 time 102533 pv g2g4 h5h4 h2f3 c8d6 f3d2 g6e8 c3b3 g7f6 b1b2 e8b8 e2d3 b8d8 f2f3 d8d7 d2b1 a8a7 b1c3 e7e8 c3a4 e8b8 b2b1 a7a8 b3b2 h8g7 d3b3 g7f7 b1a1 a8a7 g1g2 d7c8 b2b1 f7g8 a4c3 c8e8 a1a2 e8d7 b1b2 b8e8 g2g1 e8d8
[d]r1n4k/2p1r1b1/Pp4q1/1PpPp1pp/2N1PpP1/2R4P/4QP1N/1R4K1 b - g3 0 15
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Re: A historical game

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: I go along with you until h5.

[d]r1n4k/2p1r1b1/Pp4q1/1PpPp1pp/2N1Pp2/2R4P/4QPPN/1R4K1 w - - 0 15

Let us see what SF will now play.
g4

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info depth 40 seldepth 47 multipv 1 score cp 148 nodes 1811794865 nps 17670358 time 102533 pv g2g4 h5h4 h2f3 c8d6 f3d2 g6e8 c3b3 g7f6 b1b2 e8b8 e2d3 b8d8 f2f3 d8d7 d2b1 a8a7 b1c3 e7e8 c3a4 e8b8 b2b1 a7a8 b3b2 h8g7 d3b3 g7f7 b1a1 a8a7 g1g2 d7c8 b2b1 f7g8 a4c3 c8e8 a1a2 e8d7 b1b2 b8e8 g2g1 e8d8
[d]r1n4k/2p1r1b1/Pp4q1/1PpPp1pp/2N1PpP1/2R4P/4QP1N/1R4K1 b - g3 0 15
You see, SF closes the game with g2-g4! It is afraid of black playing g5-g4 and getting advantage. That was my initial assessment of the position: a small, some 30cps black edge, if white plays g4, it is a draw, otherwise, black will play g4 itself and get winning chances.

Some time ago Lucas called my chess a 'cowardly approach', trying to close the position. And what is SF doing now? It closes the position itself. Is not this a cowardly approach?

I go along with you until Rb3, and here deviate with Rd7 instead of Bf6.

[d]r3q2k/2pr2b1/Pp1n4/1PpPp1p1/2N1PpPp/1R5P/3NQP2/1R4K1 w - - 0 19

This is already a perfect draw, interesting when SF will get it.