World Chess Computer Champion?

[Vinvin]

To follow up, the komodochess.com website now says "Winner of the 2013 TCEC tournament!"...

I'd prefer "Winner of the 2013 TCEC championship !"

[mwyoung]

To follow up, the komodochess.com website now says "Winner of the 2013 TCEC tournament!"...

I'd prefer "Winner of the 2013 TCEC championship !"

Some part of the website have been corrected, but not all if you go into the website to see details on Komodo and to buy the product. If you go into the site to see detail on Komodo it still say this at the current time.

http://komodochess.com/KomodoTCEC-35a.htm

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Komodo TCEC

price: $49.95

2013 World Computer Chess Engine Champion!

Rated #1 on the TCEC rating list

1. Komodo -- 3115
2. Stockfish -- 3103
3. Houdini -- 3088



This is the exact version (Komodo 1142) which won the TCEC world championship, ahead of Houdini 4 (beta) and Stockfish DD.



Compatible with all versions of Chessbase (CB 8, CB 9, CB 10, CB 11, CB 12, CB 13) and Aquarium

Available for Windows, Linux and Mac.

minimum requirement for Mac users: OSX 10.6

Supports up to 64 cores!

Note to Komodo 6 owners You get a 40% discount. You'll be given a discount code during checkout.


"I am deeply moved by the style of Komodo. In my opinion it's the perfect combination between computer accuracy and human positional understanding. I get the feeling it's taken positional understanding to the next level. After such an impressive performance I am going to test Komodo in my future work, especially in very positional play, and am really looking forward to working with it."
- GM Boris Avrukh

"I am extremely impressed by Komodo's play. I watched and analyzed every game and it was absolutely flawless positional chess, the likes of which has never been seen before by an engine... or human. Komodo clearly outplayed the other programs in the TCEC tournament."
- GM Roman Dzindzichashvili

[Rebel]

"The whole point about claiming titles or pseudo titles that you really did not win. Is to DECEIVE PEOPLE into buying their products."

Same is true for 'legal' World Champions. They deveive people into buying their comparatively very weak engines. Not their fault and perfectly legal but nonetheless very misleading by factual circumstances.

[hgm]

I gave the correct answer.

Not to me. And I suspect not to a great many people.

Well, so the world is full of idiots. Some even insist the Earth is flat. So what?

One problem is that many people think their opinion counts just because they know how to post it on a forum.

There is no dispute about what is the valid World Title in Computer Chess. There has been no other tournament recently that called itself the World Championship other than WCCC. There have been two attempts (The 'On-Line World Championship'), but they were both cancelled due to lack of interest. (No entrants in the firs one, only one, ChessMaster, in the second.)

Those are the fact. The only World Titles in recent years (and probably always, but my memory does not go back that far) have been awarded by ICGA. That is fact. All the other is wishful/delusional thinking. Examples of teh human Chess World title and the French king are not applicable, as we know very well that there were multiple titles awarded and claimed on those occasions. An applicable example would be this:

Who was presidents of the U.S.A from 2012-2014?

Does the majority of Americans like Barack Obama, or would they rather see them go? Is the U.S. precidency 'disputed'?

[Rebel]

Leagues last months. World Championships and Olympic games etc tend to last a couple of weeks.

Harvey,

Every self respecting sport has a body that is recognized and endorsed by the vast majority of sportsmen / women. What once was since 2011 is no longer. Whatever the reason you have to act.

You keep making that pronouncement - the ICGA is no longer recognized.

Selective reading on your end, see the red above.

There is no reason to involve the Rybka controversy into the discussion. Forget about Rybka, it is what it is and doing nothing won't solve the above problem, the last 2½ year has proven that.

You will remember the days the WCCC and WMCCC were the yearly highlight, the magazins and CC fora exploded. That popularity halted (quite roughly) exactly when?

You don't have to be a prophet to predict how this will end, if things already are not irreversable in the meantime by the 2½ year lack of action from David. As if doing nothing ever solved a problem.

[hgm]

That popularity halted (quite roughly) exactly when?

When the Ippolyt source was published?

It is easy to diagnose the disease. It is easy to blame others for not having a cure. But do you have one?

[Rebel]

That popularity halted (quite roughly) exactly when?

When the Ippolyt source was published?

No, after the ICGA Rybka verdict, June 2011. See the lack of interest for Tilburg 2011 and Japan 2013 for instance here at CCC, still the beating heart of CC.

It is easy to diagnose the disease. It is easy to blame others for not having a cure. But do you have one?

The (new) CSVN board is doing fine. They have recognized there is a problem and are determined to do something about it. All David has done is ostrich politics.

[Jesse Gersenson]

I agree with you. While "2013 World Chess Engine Champion" is not the exact wording of "World Computer Chess Champion", as "owned" by the ICGA, the suggestion is obvious. I'll hope our ICGA programmers representative, fellow programmer, and Komodo team member Mark Lefler talks turkey with the Komodo marketing division to change the wording to "Winner of TCEC Season 5" or "Winner of nTCEC Season 2". Also they need to update their links.

Mark has spoken with the marketing department and, in turn, they are revising the text.

What is a World Champion? It's an compelling question. In the conversation we're having there are many positions:

• 1. Dogmatic wisdom, represented best by the 59 posts in this thread by H.G. Muller and Mark Young, holds the title is bestowed by an organization which, more or less arbitrarily, claims sole authority to crown one a world champion.
  
  2. A world champion is the strongest entity, i.e. the highest rated.
  
  3. Winning the world's strongest tournament is the essence of being world champion.
  
  4. Winning a match against the current world champion makes one a world champion.

Emanuel Lasker, world chess champion from 1894 to 1921, wrote, "Lies and hypocrisy do not survive for long on the chessboard. The creative combination lays bare the presumption of a lie, while the merciless fact, culminating in a checkmate, contradicts the hypocrite."

Someone ought to run a match, and post the results here, between the two engines claiming the title of 2013 world champion, Hiarcs and Komodo.

[hgm]

No, after the ICGA Rybka verdict, June 2011. See the lack of interest for Tilburg 2011 and Japan 2013 for instance here at CCC, still the beating heart of CC.

That is a complete misjudgement of the situation. Perhaps it was an item in 2011, but Rybka is hystory now, and the general public wouldn't give a hoot on whether Rybka would participate or not. Today's discontent lies in the absense of Houdini / Ivanhoe / Bouquet / DeepSaros / Gull / Fire.

The (new) CSVN board is doing fine. They have recognized there is a problem and are determined to do something about it. All David has done is ostrich politics.

Fine with what? Organizing a World Championship? Define 'fine'. Was Houdini there, on the last edition of Leiden? Was Critter there? Was Komodo there? Was Stockfish there? Was Ivanhoe there?

Isn't it true that the tournament was won by one of those 'extremely weak engines'? In fact one that did participate in the latest WCCC, and did not even manage to win there?

Don't get me wrong, they are doing a fine job in organizing a programmers tournament, which is their goal. I was there, and it was great. But they did not achieve anything that ICGA did not achieve. There were no participants in Leiden that came from halfway across the World (like Americans, for example). There were in Yokohame. There were no engines in Leiden that were stronger than those in Yokohama. So what problem exactly do you think they solved that ICGA still has?

[hgm]

Someone ought to run a match, and post the results here, between the two engines claiming the title of 2013 world champion, Hiarcs and Komodo.

Yeah, and someone should run a Ferrari against a Mercedes to decide who is World Champion Formula I racing.

Fact is the match you are demanding took already place. But Komodo was a 'no-show'.

What you call 'dogmatic wisdom' is in fact nothing but common practice in the entire word of sports. Wake up to reality. Professional cycling is an excellent example, but it virtually holds everywhere. The World Champion is not always the strongest player or team. Many sports keep rankings similar to rating lists (e.g. FIFA), and they do not call the one ranking first there World Champion (again, soccer). The winner of the Tour de France in Cycling or the Masters in Golf or the Embassy in Darts are not called World Champion. Winners of highly prestigious gold Olympic medals are not called World Champion. These are just the facts of life. Not dogma.