Rybka 1.0 vs. Strelka

[GenoM]

Hi all

I think CCC is the right place to talk about such important topic. Its not about envy or personal attacks. It's about the Truth. So discussion had to continue (and will continue) until some answers are presented. I think that the silence of other side is worth to be mentioned. No facts, just Rolf [debating about the context]

Regards,
Geno

[kranium]

To the mods,
(with all due respect for a good job under difficult circumstances)

As I see it, there is one user here (and one only) who consistently uses words like evil, campaign, convict, cheat, allegations, innuendo, insinuation, smear, legality, guilty, innocent, sue, attacking, abuse, etc. His rigorous and relentless effort has successfully fanned the flames of this (and many other) thread, and what once was a calm and respectful discussion of facts, is now burning fiercely (the desired effect). of course the mods (rightfully) see a need to intervene when the blaze burns brightly.

His effort seems entirely intent on creating anger and controversy in any way and at any cost, and it's really hurting the open and respectful exchange of ideas.

Although I like Rolf (not sure why ), I think he really needs to be brought under control and use some discretion with his words...

[swami]

Note that this is the discussion about Free version of Rybka (Rybka 1.0)

Zach gave me a permission to edit the thread title and and insert "1.0" next to the engine name wherever he mentioned the engine, just to avoid confusion.

I agree with ChrisW that whenever you mention Rybka, It'd help if you include the version number along with it.

I am not personally convinced that it matters. What is the probability that Rybka 3 is vastly different from Rybka2, and R2 vastly different from V1? Most do not do _complete_ rewrites, which means much GPL code, if it was present in R1 will also be present in R3. So this realistically applies to all versions, if it applies to any.

Dear Dr. Bob,

You have been the moderator number of times in the past, and I recall you have done an excellent job as a moderator!!

To quote Chrisw question, 'please inform us which posts you would have deleted out of this thread .......'

Regarding recent Rybka threads, What would you do if you were a mod? What's your general stance?

your reply on this is much appreciated, Thanks

PS: I'm not sure if Rybka 2 and 3 are complete rewrites, It could be still possible, no? For example Tord did a complete rewrite for Glaurung 2 (from version 1) and gained 200- 300 elo, Rybka 2 and 3 are atleast >200 elo better than Rybka 1.0. But If members here are really talking about Rybka 1.0 and comparing it to Strelka or Fruit, then they should use the version number, It makes sense because there wouldn't be any confusion and there would not be any insinuations against the commercial program either.

[GenoM]

Last night I visited the archives of CCC and looked at the threads of december 2005. I suggest that posters in this thread make the same as me. It's instructive.
Some programmers have had the same questions we have now. No answers however. That's the reason discussion didn't stop.

[chrisw]

To the mods,
(with all due respect for a good job under difficult circumstances)

As I see it, there is one user here (and one only) who consistently uses words like evil, campaign, convict, cheat, allegations, innuendo, insinuation, smear, legality, guilty, innocent, sue, attacking, abuse, etc. His rigorous and relentless effort has successfully fanned the flames of this (and many other) thread, and what once was a calm and respectful discussion of facts, is now burning fiercely (the desired effect). of course the mods (rightfully) see a need to intervene when the blaze burns brightly.

His effort seems entirely intent on creating anger and controversy in any way and at any cost, and it's really hurting the open and respectful exchange of ideas.

Although I like Rolf (not sure why ), I think he really needs to be brought under control and use some discretion with his words...

Well, Rolf has been using this style of language now since 1995. He's an old papal edifice of computer chess forums and he does, certainly in this case, provide an important balance of argument. Rolf uses a kind-of psycho-intuition on topics, sometimes he gets it right and sometimes wrong - the language is a kind-of provocative probe into the viewpoints of the other side which sometimes bears fruit, sometimes not. There is a fine line of course between provocative probing and mud-slinging and moderators have the unenviable task of trying to distinguish between the two, not helped by differences in general opinion of the moderators themselves. Or you could see it all as part of life's rich tapestry, maybe?

What are you suggesting actually? His posts are edited? Deleted? Or? I mean gimme some advice here

[Osipov Jury]

All this "discussion" is totally absurd.

[Guetti]

All this "discussion" is totally absurd.

And why?

[chrisw]

All this "discussion" is totally absurd.

And why?

The acid test is this: can you explain what is going on in these threads to your wife/girlfriend?

[GenoM]

All this "discussion" is totally absurd.

And why?

The acid test is this: can you explain what is going on in these threads to your wife/girlfriend?

It seems Osipov himself failed in this test

[bnculp]

actually this type of discussion is tailored made for the CCC and always has been
Today we are seeing forums created by specific engines...
the Rybka forum as an example
we see nothing about this there..not one word..even after days of discussion and literally 100's of posts
and this is to be expected

This topic is being discussed in the Rybka forum. Your comments are totally inaccurate and reflect your own bias.