World Chess Championship (Game 8)

[Terry McCracken]

Should Kramnik have went for the Kh3 idea in the endgame?

It's an idea but it looks like it draws after Rd3! Idea Rxc3.

I'd say White actually played a little better than Black but not enough to come close to winning.

Terry

[Anil]

Which prevents the exchange. Had the macth score been level, Nb5 it was.
But Kramnik wants the Queens on the board... for now.
After all, he has nothing to loose now.
And nb5 is still coming!

What if a6 now?

Yo baby! I called it this time.

Both Kramnik and Anand said that a6 was a key move!!!

Kramnik: Accurate defense found by Vishy starting with a6
Anand: After Re1, a6 had to be played

[Jack Lad]

He should have played 19. Nb5! when he had the chance - a golden opportunity to win was missed.

[gerold]

He should have played 19. Nb5! when he had the chance - a golden opportunity to win was missed.

Yep i think you are right after looking over the game. I have
replayed it a few times now. My computer program also
gave that move.

Best to you,

Gerold.

[AdminX]

Hey Ted, who is that in the photograph of your avatar?

That's my son.

[Jack Lad]

[d] 8/R6p/3kpp2/8/5P2/P7/1r4PP/5K2 b - - 9 30

I get this endgame which is probably won for white but it is by no means easy.

[ernest]

For what it's worth, here is a Rybka 3 shootout, with 19. Nb5

[Event "Shootout (Rybka332-bit, Blitz:15'+10") "]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.10.24"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2772"]
[BlackElo "2783"]
[PlyCount "79"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. e4 Bb4 6. Bg5 c5 7. Bxc4 cxd4 8.
Nxd4 Qa5 9. Bb5+ Bd7 10. Bxf6 Bxb5 11. Ndxb5 gxf6 12. O-O Nc6 13. a3 Bxc3 14.
Nxc3 Rg8 15. f4 Rd8 16. Qe1 Qb6+ 17. Rf2 Rd3 18. Qe2 Qd4 19. Nb5 {0.50/16 40}
Qe3 {0.50/16 61} 20. Qxe3 {0.46/16 17} Rxe3 {0.31/17 21} 21. Nd6+ {0.41/18 42}
Ke7 {0.38/19 48} 22. Nxb7 {0.39/20 93} Nd4 {0.22/20 142} 23. Nc5 {0.39/20 158}
Rd8 {(h5) 0.28/20 258} 24. g3 {0.42/20 158} Rc8 {0.42/20 95} 25. b4 {0.34/21
168} Nb3 {0.34/21 158} 26. Nxb3 {0.34/21 12} Rxb3 {0.34/21 12} 27. f5 {0.27/21
145} e5 {0.27/21 27} 28. Raa2 {0.27/21 38} Rc4 {0.17/21 44} 29. Rfc2 {0.17/21
64} Rxc2 {0.17/22 16} 30. Rxc2 {0.17/21 1} Rxa3 {0.17/23 32} 31. Rc7+ {0.17/23
17} Kf8 {0.16/23 75} 32. b5 {0.16/23 11} Ra2 {0.16/23 22} 33. Kf1 {0.12/23 54}
Kg7 {0.12/23 11} 34. Rd7 {0.12/23 12} a5 {0.12/23 10} 35. bxa6 {0.12/24 14}
Rxa6 {0.12/25 8} 36. Ke2 {0.12/25 10} Ra2+ {0.12/25 11} 37. Rd2 {0.06/26 25}
Ra3 {0.06/26 10} 38. Kf2 {0.00/26 45} Kh6 {0.00/26 13} 39. h4 {0.00/26 22} Kh5
{0.00/26 25} 40. Rd7 {0.00/26 29} 1/2-1/2

[Terry McCracken]

He should have played 19. Nb5! when he had the chance - a golden opportunity to win was missed.

Yes, you know better than Anand the WCC or Kramnik the Classical WCC.

Why do state that you know better than the best? You just give a move with no analysis and say it wins!?

This type of kibtzing is frowned upon everywhere but you insist on doing it and the moderators and members let it pass!

I won't let it pass! Either you back your claims or don't say anything at all!

It's one thing to say Nb5 looks good or interesting but it's an entirely different matter to claim it wins! Even worse when no analysis is given and the person who makes such bodacious claims isn't at all qualified to make them!

If you or the moderators or members can't see this as problem the there's even a bigger problem with this site than I thought!

It's time this type of uninformed kibitzing stopped!

e.g. 19. Nb5 Qe3 20. Qxe3 Rxe3 21. Nd6+ Ke7 22. Nxb7 Nd4 23. Nc5 Rd8 =

There's no win for White! I'm sure if all lines are combed through you'll find 19. Nb5 doesn't win and Kramnik couldn't afford to swap Queens so early if he wanted to find a win at a latter point, hence 19. Nb5!? is only good if you're going after the draw!

[Terry McCracken]

[d] 8/R6p/3kpp2/8/5P2/P7/1r4PP/5K2 b - - 9 30

I get this endgame which is probably won for white but it is by no means easy.

You didn't give an explanation how you got here which is your first mistake.

Regardless, with Rooks on the board it appears to be a draw. These type of endings usually are.

[mhull]

He should have played 19. Nb5! when he had the chance - a golden opportunity to win was missed.

Yes, you know better than Anand the WCC or Kramnik the Classical WCC.

Why do state that you know better than the best? You just give a move with no analysis and say it wins!?

This type of kibtzing is frowned upon everywhere but you insist on doing it and the moderators and members let it pass!

I won't let it pass! Either you back your claims or don't say anything at all!

I didn't see you back up any of your claims. You're particularly known for speaking ex cathedra pretty much all the time. But now you bark orders as if you're in charge and everyone should obey you. Your interference is much more annoying than just letting people speak their opinions on the chess position peaceably.

It's one thing to say Nb5 looks good or interesting but it's an entirely different matter to claim it wins! Even worse when no analysis is given and the person who makes such bodacious claims isn't at all qualified to make them!

If you or the moderators or members can't see this as problem the there's even a bigger problem with this site than I thought!

It's time this type of uninformed kibitzing stopped!

e.g. 19. Nb5 Qe3 20. Qxe3 Rxe3 21. Nd6+ Ke7 22. Nxb7 Nd4 23. Nc5 Rd8 =

There's no win for White! I'm sure if all lines are combed through you'll find 19. Nb5 doesn't win and Kramnik couldn't afford to swap Queens so early if he wanted to find a win at a latter point, hence 19. Nb5!? is only good if you're going after the draw!