CCC Practice Game

[Harvey Williamson]

Just had a quick glance at the position. I think I might try ...g6

[Steve B]

When is the deadline?
Make sure it's all ready before time up.

well the deadline would be 12:52 PM(My Time) or 24 hours from whatever time is indicated for you from this post:

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 15&t=28922

thats about 8 hours from now(as i write)

so you have plenty of time..however do not be concerned with a strict deadline
if you go over its ok
i was expecting to come here this AM ..see 4-5 votes..count them up and make your move
instead i had 5 pages to read through

so far it seems 10..Qc7 and 10..Be7 are the leading vote getter's

perhaps two players can mention what they see as the leading vote getter and then i will register that as your move

my reply with the R30's move will come later this evening when i am back at home

Best
Steve

[BubbaTough]

Just had a quick glance at the position. I think I might try ...g6

Welcome Harvey...g6 looks ok. Kind of the same idea as ...Qc7 in that you are trying to get white to castle queenside. So if we assume white is a good boy and castles queenside we have something like

11....qc7 12 ooo Be7 13 Be2 oo (not 12...Bxg2 13 Rg1 Bd5 because of 14. Rxf7!) and black has an attack coming

OR

11...g6 12 ooo Bg7 13 f4 (13. Qd6 Qa5 or 13. Qb5 Rc8) oo with the idea of an ...f6 break to create a little chaos.

If you really want to play like a benko Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman...the most Benkoish line is something like:
11...Qa5 12 Bd2 Qb6 13 QxQ axb6 14 Be3 Bc5 (maybe Bb4+ first?) 15. Bxb cxb5. Now that I have looked at the other lines a bit more, I am starting to prefer either ...Qc7 or ...g6 over the endgame drive ...Qa5



Either of these themes look reasonable and better than

11...Be7 12. Bd3 oo 13. oo and then white looks quite safe. Maybe 13...f6 but after 14. f4 black is just passive and a pawn down.

[gerold]

I think it would be better if I checked my ideas with a computer, before I argue any further.

Entirely up to you of course, but I would try to discourage that - I kind of like this as a "CCC brains vs the Tasc R30" match. If we all start using Rybka, Fritz etc it takes the fun out of it for me. Maybe restrict any computer analysis to a 2300 or less engine, similar to the Tasc ?

I agree Ray. I see no point in using engine to beat Steve's
machine. CCC should be able to beat it or at least come
out with a drawn game.

Best,

Gerold.

P.S. No rules saying you can't use a chess program in this
game so no harm done.
P.S. 2. I do think the R30 will castle on Q side, making blacks
chance of an attach and win on white Q side.

[BubbaTough]

Ray + Gerald

Regarding engine use: I am coming up with analysis myself, and running it through LearningLemming for about 5 seconds before showing the group (to make sure I am not dropping a piece). I do not expect this method to be equal to 24 hour analysis of Tasc R30 (since my total analysis time per post is about 1-3 minutes human time, 15 seconds engine time). I also expect other posters are not treating this like a serious game, but are just throwing out ideas with very little analysis (which is why we seem to have traded off 2 sets of minors in a handicap game already). I have no problem with people looking at the position with Crafty or whatever for a bit to make sure there ideas are not ridiculous. Certainly whatever method people have been using so far (which is probably closer to gut feel based on a ply 4 search looking at the board on the screen than 24 hours of 8 processor Rybka) seems fine.

-Sam

p.s. it looks to be about voting time, so everyone that has said something less than concrete say your preference or want to change your mind. My official vote it changed to: ...Qc7

[Zach Wegner]

I vote Be7.

[michiguel]

Ray + Gerald

Regarding engine use: I am coming up with analysis myself, and running it through LearningLemming for about 5 seconds before showing the group (to make sure I am not dropping a piece). I do not expect this method to be equal to 24 hour analysis of Tasc R30 (since my total analysis time per post is about 1-3 minutes human time, 15 seconds engine time). I also expect other posters are not treating this like a serious game, but are just throwing out ideas with very little analysis (which is why we seem to have traded off 2 sets of minors in a handicap game already). I have no problem with people looking at the position with Crafty or whatever for a bit to make sure there ideas are not ridiculous. Certainly whatever method people have been using so far (which is probably closer to gut feel based on a ply 4 search looking at the board on the screen than 24 hours of 8 processor Rybka) seems fine.

-Sam

p.s. it looks to be about voting time, so everyone that has said something less than concrete say your preference or want to change your mind. My official vote it changed to: ...Qc7

I just became aware of this game. By looking at the position, the plan i like best is to undermine white center with f6. For that reason, Be7 is the most "elastic" move. It has to be made anyway, so let's make it. We do not know whether the best square for the Q will be. We could try Be7-f6 with threats of Qa5+. We could decide what the best square for the Q is. It may be b7, with pressure on g2 and b2.. Depending on what whiite does we can try Kf7 or O-O.

My vote is for Be7
Miguel

[Steve B]

Regarding engine use: I am coming up with analysis myself, and running it through LearningLemming for about 5 seconds before showing the group (to make sure I am not dropping a piece). I do not expect this method to be equal to 24 hour analysis of Tasc R30 (since my total analysis time per post is about 1-3 minutes human time, 15 seconds engine time).

Just a note Sam that i do not run the R30 for a full 24 hours
i do not like the R30 to be running when i am away from home
(just a collector's concern)
by way of example.. it is not running now as i write this
generally i let it run for 3-4 hours after i know the official move in order that i can reply on the same day and not prolong this(this all started out as a practice game for the aborted Hmatch)
on some prior moves i have left the computer on and let it continue to think after it has made its move(not yours) for 3-4 hours
note..this does not take anything away from the 2300 rating of the R30 which is based upon a time control of 40 moves in 2 hours ..or an avg thinking time of 3 minutes per move
so if anything you are playing a stronger opponent then 2300 but not an opponent pondering a full 24 hours after your made is made
Steve

[gerold]

Ray + Gerald

Regarding engine use: I am coming up with analysis myself, and running it through LearningLemming for about 5 seconds before showing the group (to make sure I am not dropping a piece). I do not expect this method to be equal to 24 hour analysis of Tasc R30 (since my total analysis time per post is about 1-3 minutes human time, 15 seconds engine time). I also expect other posters are not treating this like a serious game, but are just throwing out ideas with very little analysis (which is why we seem to have traded off 2 sets of minors in a handicap game already). I have no problem with people looking at the position with Crafty or whatever for a bit to make sure there ideas are not ridiculous. Certainly whatever method people have been using so far (which is probably closer to gut feel based on a ply 4 search looking at the board on the screen than 24 hours of 8 processor Rybka) seems fine.

-Sam

p.s. it looks to be about voting time, so everyone that has said something less than concrete say your preference or want to change your mind. My official vote it changed to: ...Qc7

I just became aware of this game. By looking at the position, the plan i like best is to undermine white center with f6. For that reason, Be7 is the most "elastic" move. It has to be made anyway, so let's make it. We do not know whether the best square for the Q will be. We could try Be7-f6 with threats of Qa5+. We could decide what the best square for the Q is. It may be b7, with pressure on g2 and b2.. Depending on what whiite does we can try Kf7 or O-O.

My vote is for Be7
Miguel

I vote for Be7. Also.

Best.

Gerold.

[Matthias Gemuh]

My vote stays at Be7. I already explained why.

Matthias.