Frayer's opinion expressed at the Rybka forum....

[Rolf]

After a long discussion, I was convinced Harvey did not realize his actions were not allowed. We all moved on, and have since taken more pains to clarify all rules before an event is started.

So what exactly is your point supposed to be here???

Bob, in all shortness, the guy who didnt realise that he was involved in not-allowed actions, said "Rubbish" to me as a foreigner. And that hurt me for general purposes of minority protection! What I mean is he still is wrongly informed about his unallowed actions. I thought that the context was clear.

Rofl,

At the time if I realised it was wrong would I have posted here that during the last game I adjusted Contempt? If I had not posted no one would have been any the wiser.

As far as talking 'Rubbish' the fact that you are a foreigner has nothing to do with it. If my boss, who is English, gets something wrong I would be quite happy to tell him he is talking Rubbish.

Yes, I saw that this is the problem. In your case of failure you find nano analyses to get out of the mess, but a foreigner in your eyes has NOT deserved the thing with the doubts. Because look I wasnt wrong what you meant. It's all again a question of analyses.

I told you that it was only for a couple of friends, while you meant there were many thousands of friends and ok from them only a couple could get the software but in principal all those. Here I would agree in such a context. But I wanted to be pragmatical and that meant that in truth in that short period with no really public announcements only a couplke of few got a chance. I speak about the very first version for free. That was say from 18 the evening till 13 noon. How could millions = all got it?

My disgust came out of your hypertrophic aggression towards me as a foreigner on the basis of such nano arguments in your favor. The same with the new example. That you tell your chief Rubbish is a let's keep this real, a sort of claim. But not yet reality.

I could accept that you dont want to apologize for your impoliteness if you admit here in public that for you it's almost a daily normal expression against other people to insult them for what they said with "Rubbish". If you confess it then the case is forgotten for me.

In German we have a term for such people. We say Wadenbeisser which means assistants who are always waiting to bite VIPs from the other parties into lower parts of their legs. Which doesnt kill but hurts and causes pain.

Since you belong here to the anti Vasik hate campaign party the case is solved.

For reasons unknown I like you more if you rtesist to the evident than if you would just always say, look Rolf I didnt understand it that I was wrong but now I see it and will never do it again. How boring!

Also in chess I like resistance when I have a Q plus. Often I like to get 6 new Q what make intotal 7 Queens before I mate my opponent. Am I cruel? No, should I resist to win if I am better?

So also here, I hope that you will now insist that you are still correct which allows me to put new pressure on you.

Rofl

[Harvey Williamson]

After a long discussion, I was convinced Harvey did not realize his actions were not allowed. We all moved on, and have since taken more pains to clarify all rules before an event is started.

So what exactly is your point supposed to be here???

Bob, in all shortness, the guy who didnt realise that he was involved in not-allowed actions, said "Rubbish" to me as a foreigner. And that hurt me for general purposes of minority protection! What I mean is he still is wrongly informed about his unallowed actions. I thought that the context was clear.

Rofl,

At the time if I realised it was wrong would I have posted here that during the last game I adjusted Contempt? If I had not posted no one would have been any the wiser.

As far as talking 'Rubbish' the fact that you are a foreigner has nothing to do with it. If my boss, who is English, gets something wrong I would be quite happy to tell him he is talking Rubbish.

Yes, I saw that this is the problem. In your case of failure you find nano analyses to get out of the mess, but a foreigner in your eyes has NOT deserved the thing with the doubts. Because look I wasnt wrong what you meant. It's all again a question of analyses.

I told you that it was only for a couple of friends, while you meant there were many thousands of friends and ok from them only a couple could get the software but in principal all those. Here I would agree in such a context. But I wanted to be pragmatical and that meant that in truth in that short period with no really public announcements only a couplke of few got a chance. I speak about the very first version for free. That was say from 18 the evening till 13 noon. How could millions = all got it?

My disgust came out of your hypertrophic aggression towards me as a foreigner on the basis of such nano arguments in your favor. The same with the new example. That you tell your chief Rubbish is a let's keep this real, a sort of claim. But not yet reality.

I could accept that you dont want to apologize for your impoliteness if you admit here in public that for you it's almost a daily normal expression against other people to insult them for what they said with "Rubbish". If you confess it then the case is forgotten for me.

In German we have a term for such people. We say Wadenbeisser which means assistants who are always waiting to bite VIPs from the other parties into lower parts of their legs. Which doesnt kill but hurts and causes pain.

Since you belong here to the anti Vasik hate campaign party the case is solved.

For reasons unknown I like you more if you rtesist to the evident than if you would just always say, look Rolf I didnt understand it that I was wrong but now I see it and will never do it again. How boring!

Also in chess I like resistance when I have a Q plus. Often I like to get 6 new Q what make intotal 7 Queens before I mate my opponent. Am I cruel? No, should I resist to win if I am better?

So also here, I hope that you will now insist that you are still correct which allows me to put new pressure on you.

Rofl

What makes you think I am part of an anti Vasik hate campaign? I regularly exchange emails with him and they have always been friendly. I spend most of my life at the moment kicking Robbo and ippo off Playchess as this is their policy. This thread before you hijacked it was someone complaining about this Playchess policy.

What about next weeks Lottery numbers?

[Rolf]

What makes you think I am part of an anti Vasik hate campaign? I regularly exchange emails with him and they have always been friendly. I spend most of my life at the moment kicking Robbo and ippo off Playchess as this is their policy. This thread before you hijacked it was someone complaining about this Playchess policy.

What about next weeks Lottery numbers?

Good questions. First of all it's the duty of all ethically better equipped members here to take a side for Vas. Because he is accused of being a liar. You had such a duty for even more reasons if you had so peaceful exchanges. Doesnt it bother you if a friend is put under such hate campaigns? To deny him having a moral at all (Theron)? That was where it started and it goes now that a true capacity of wisdom declares he had examined two codes and he found similarities. Now My Unimportance asks into the forum, who cares if Bob found similarities if Vas commited no crime! All decent members should stand up and defend the usual rights of Vas to be innocent until a judge would condemn him. I assume that you are in favor of justice, correct? Look, a fish begins to stink from its head. Exactly if leading figures diffamate and scapegoat someone then the masses think that they had a right go for the kill. Therefore it's important to react against wrong accusations in time. Because after the campaign once started it almost cant be stopped. Hence Vas must be defended by all decent people of this forum.

[Harvey Williamson]

What makes you think I am part of an anti Vasik hate campaign? I regularly exchange emails with him and they have always been friendly. I spend most of my life at the moment kicking Robbo and ippo off Playchess as this is their policy. This thread before you hijacked it was someone complaining about this Playchess policy.

What about next weeks Lottery numbers?

Look, a fish begins to stink from its head.

Unfortunate choice of words when discussing Rybka.

[Rolf]

What makes you think I am part of an anti Vasik hate campaign? I regularly exchange emails with him and they have always been friendly. I spend most of my life at the moment kicking Robbo and ippo off Playchess as this is their policy. This thread before you hijacked it was someone complaining about this Playchess policy.

What about next weeks Lottery numbers?

Look, a fish begins to stink from its head.

Unfortunate choice of words when discussing Rybka.

This defines the difference between you and me. Like you tried to talk it away that you had sinned you follow the false ideology to avoid even words that could be mistaken by ill-meaning people against Vas and his Rybka. This speaks in my World as at least a hint for your hidden prejudices against Vas. My World = Professional Psychology. Sorry I didnt invent this. So, excuse me if I must say that until further infos come in I dont believe you. No matter how many emails you exchanged. But of course I hope that Vasik's peacefulness has influence on you.

[Rolf]

What makes you think I am part of an anti Vasik hate campaign? I regularly exchange emails with him and they have always been friendly. I spend most of my life at the moment kicking Robbo and ippo off Playchess as this is their policy. This thread before you hijacked it was someone complaining about this Playchess policy.

What about next weeks Lottery numbers?

The thread wasnt hijacked by me. In the first three or four messages the question arose if it was telling against Vas if no Rybka 3+ were published. That was a clear question that is part of the campaign as I see it. I didnt start it at all. So, that is just another proof for your bias against me. Which then escalated into the Rubbish insult against a foreigner.

It's beyond me why you think that Vas is wrong here. I also have no idea why you then claim that by obeying the orders of the Playchess Server you ban the clones, thast this proves that you are not part of the anti-Vas-Hate-Campaign in CCC. In truth your position with R 3+ marks the clear opposite. Which means You are a part. That you there see no contradiction is similar to the wrongdoing in the tournament where you tweaked the clock durin the game, what was excused in your favor because you hadnt known that. But in all justice I know ignorance doesnt protect you against the Law if you do something wrong.

[Harvey Williamson]

What makes you think I am part of an anti Vasik hate campaign? I regularly exchange emails with him and they have always been friendly. I spend most of my life at the moment kicking Robbo and ippo off Playchess as this is their policy. This thread before you hijacked it was someone complaining about this Playchess policy.

What about next weeks Lottery numbers?

The thread wasnt hijacked by me. In the first three or four messages the question arose if it was telling against Vas if no Rybka 3+ were published. That was a clear question that is part of the campaign as I see it. I didnt start it at all. So, that is just another proof for your bias against me. Which then escalated into the Rubbish insult against a foreigner.

It's beyond me why you think that Vas is wrong here. I also have no idea why you then claim that by obeying the orders of the Playchess Server you ban the clones, thast this proves that you are not part of the anti-Vas-Hate-Campaign in CCC. In truth your position with R 3+ marks the clear opposite. Which means You are a part. That you there see no contradiction is similar to the wrongdoing in the tournament where you tweaked the clock durin the game, what was excused in your favor because you hadnt known that. But in all justice I know ignorance doesnt protect you against the Law if you do something wrong.

For the 3rd time Rubbish I tweaked no clock you memory fails you again. Also Rubbish that because I think Vas should honour his promise to release Rybka 3.1 it makes me part of a hate campaign.

I have never earned 1 penny from Computer Chess so I spend hours every day deleting clones because I have nothing better to do

[Rolf]

So what exactly is your point supposed to be here???

I already made a short summary of questions that are still open for answers. No answers until now. Perhaps you didnt see the message before. I stripped it of all unnecessary noise and here is now what is left to be answered:


In your attempt to prove wrongdoing in Rybka, Bob, you took code from Fruit and code from Rybka, right? And you found similaritiess or even identical pieces of code. I want to believe that. How could you know that Vas took that code from the Fruit 2.1.? How did you examine if it wasnt from public domain? How did you secure that that what you have found, resulted from a wrong taking code out of that GPL code? How do you want to prove that without having spoken to Vas? Do you think that you can make a case, based on evidence, against the loud statement of your collegue that he had only original code in Rybka plus public domain? How do you discard OTHER explanations - say other provenience for these parts of code that you have researched, when you admitted that you havent examined the complete source code at all because you simply dont have it in total? What if Vas got a certain copy of Fruit by Fabien in late 2005? What if he bought some code from Fabien? What is if this happened before the code was declared GPL? Have you researched, the complete history of the months in late 2005? Between Fabien and Vas?? How can you be so damn certain that you think you are entitled to claim that Vas just plain lied if he said that Rybka contained ONLY original code plus public domain? Can you prove that he lied in a legal case before a court in the USA?

Just a couple of questions. Do you answer some of them?

Rolf

[sockmonkey]

So what exactly is your point supposed to be here???

I already made a short summary of questions that are still open for answers. No answers until now. Perhaps you didnt see the message before. I stripped it of all unnecessary noise and here is now what is left to be answered:


In your attempt to prove wrongdoing in Rybka, Bob, you took code from Fruit and code from Rybka, right? And you found similaritiess or even identical pieces of code. I want to believe that. How could you know that Vas took that code from the Fruit 2.1.? How did you examine if it wasnt from public domain? How did you secure that that what you have found, resulted from a wrong taking code out of that GPL code? How do you want to prove that without having spoken to Vas? Do you think that you can make a case, based on evidence, against the loud statement of your collegue that he had only original code in Rybka plus public domain? How do you discard OTHER explanations - say other provenience for these parts of code that you have researched, when you admitted that you havent examined the complete source code at all because you simply dont have it in total? What if Vas got a certain copy of Fruit by Fabien in late 2005? What if he bought some code from Fabien? What is if this happened before the code was declared GPL? Have you researched, the complete history of the months in late 2005? Between Fabien and Vas?? How can you be so damn certain that you think you are entitled to claim that Vas just plain lied if he said that Rybka contained ONLY original code plus public domain? Can you prove that he lied in a legal case before a court in the USA?

Just a couple of questions. Do you answer some of them?

Rolf

I can't speak for Dr. Hyatt, but I'd really be interested in getting some of those same answers from Vas regarding his accusation that RobboLito/Ippolit is a clone. You're getting a little shrill, Rolf.

Jeremy

[Rolf]

I can't speak for Dr. Hyatt, but I'd really be interested in getting some of those same answers from Vas regarding his accusation that RobboLito/Ippolit is a clone. You're getting a little shrill, Rolf. Jeremy

You compare apples with beans. Vas as businessman _has_ spoken what was necessary and that was it.
Try to challenge him in court. Everything else would be only for the competitors. However here what I asked is in Bob's own perception something of science. And therefore the questions are allowed of how Bob reflected this, how he discarded that etc. Your little plot doesnt work. BTW this is also the reason why Bob doesnt understand why Vas "isnt" speaking. He _has_ spoken and that's it. And on Playchess the clones are _not_ playing. Now I'm not running around and calling others shrill who just dont get it. Let's remain civilized. And let's not overload the importance of such internet places. Decisive for real life with real importance are Courts and the Law.