Frayer's opinion expressed at the Rybka forum....

[kingliveson]

You compare apples with beans. Vas as businessman _has_ spoken what was necessary and that was it.
Try to challenge him in court. Everything else would be only for the competitors. However here what I asked is in Bob's own perception something of science. And therefore the questions are allowed of how Bob reflected this, how he discarded that etc. Your little plot doesnt work. BTW this is also the reason why Bob doesnt understand why Vas "isnt" speaking. He _has_ spoken and that's it. And on Playchess the clones are _not_ playing. Now I'm not running around and calling others shrill who just dont get it. Let's remain civilized. And let's not overload the importance of such internet places. Decisive for real life with real importance are Courts and the Law.

Here is the contact information to those hosting the website to the so-called clones. Pass it on to the necessary people so they can contact them and have the sub-domain shutdown. But, but, he will have to show some proof...

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Registrant:
   Tangient LLC
   67 Langton Street
   San Francisco, California 94103
   United States

   Domain Name: WIKISPACES.COM
      Created on: 16-Feb-05
      Expires on: 16-Feb-11
      Last Updated on: 25-Nov-09

   Administrative Contact:
      Byers, James  
      Tangient LLC
      67 Langton Street
      San Francisco, California 94103
      United States
      4158638919      Fax -- 

   Technical Contact:
      Byers, James  
      Tangient LLC
      67 Langton Street
      San Francisco, California 94103
      United States
      4158638919      Fax -- 

[sockmonkey]

Vas as businessman _has_ spoken what was necessary and that was it.
Try to challenge him in court.

Precisely. It is in Vas's best interests to attempt to shut down every form of competition to Rybka as quickly and effectively as possible. Ippolit and RobboLito appear to beat the pants off of Rybka, at least in the SP variant (as you know, no MP variant is currently available for tests).

Floating the claim that the competition (and open-source competition, at that) is nothing more than a clone (albeit (and significantly) a clone that behaves rather differently from the program from which it was allegedly cloned) keeps this software out of the public eye, away from testing, away from general acceptance. Because general acceptance of the Ippolito engine + derivates means the end of Rybka's main selling point -- that it's the strongest engine out there. That this is apparently no longer true must scare the piss out of Vas. And that's why I don't trust his claim that these engines are clones. It's simply too convenient and, without proof, nothing more than a ruthless commercial strategy. "Coca-Cola contains arsenic and is enjoyed by snarling cyber terrorists," said a spokesperson for Pepsi-Cola on Wednesday. Sure, sure.

It lies with the accuser to provide proof of allegations. I look forward to the day when Vas steps up and gets Ippolit shut down on the basis of comprehensive proof that his code was stolen. If he was wronged, if his intellectual property was stolen, then he shouldn't rest until he achieves a legal remedy for that violation. Until then, though, and we will probably be waiting a very long time for that day, I will support the use, in good conscience, of the strongest software available. Or something else. Stop telling us what to do.

Jeremy

[K I Hyams]

I can't speak for Dr. Hyatt, but I'd really be interested in getting some of those same answers from Vas regarding his accusation that RobboLito/Ippolit is a clone. You're getting a little shrill, Rolf. Jeremy

You compare apples with beans. Vas as businessman _has_ spoken what was necessary and that was it.
Try to challenge him in court. Everything else would be only for the competitors. However here what I asked is in Bob's own perception something of science. And therefore the questions are allowed of how Bob reflected this, how he discarded that etc. Your little plot doesnt work. BTW this is also the reason why Bob doesnt understand why Vas "isnt" speaking. He _has_ spoken and that's it. And on Playchess the clones are _not_ playing. Now I'm not running around and calling others shrill who just dont get it. Let's remain civilized. And let's not overload the importance of such internet places. Decisive for real life with real importance are Courts and the Law.

Rolf, You have done more damage to Vas Rajlich than anyone else on this site. Vas appears to have decided that he is in a hole. Having worked that out, he has stopped digging and is waiting for the fuss to die down. Unfortunately for him, he has ended up with you as a champion. Your ridiculous claims keep this issue as the main topic here.

A suggestion for you, email Vas and explain to him that you are "AWRIST" and that you are acting as his self-appointed “official spokesman” on Hiarcs and CCC. Ask him to go to the CCC site and see for himself all of the controversy that your comments has stirred up. Ask him if he wants you to carry on doing that.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I can't speak for Dr. Hyatt, but I'd really be interested in getting some of those same answers from Vas regarding his accusation that RobboLito/Ippolit is a clone. You're getting a little shrill, Rolf. Jeremy

You compare apples with beans. Vas as businessman _has_ spoken what was necessary and that was it.
Try to challenge him in court. Everything else would be only for the competitors. However here what I asked is in Bob's own perception something of science. And therefore the questions are allowed of how Bob reflected this, how he discarded that etc. Your little plot doesnt work. BTW this is also the reason why Bob doesnt understand why Vas "isnt" speaking. He _has_ spoken and that's it. And on Playchess the clones are _not_ playing. Now I'm not running around and calling others shrill who just dont get it. Let's remain civilized. And let's not overload the importance of such internet places. Decisive for real life with real importance are Courts and the Law.

Vasik has spoken my a$$....you're so naive that you're looking rather pathetic....are you aware of the fact that many many versions of Robbo are playing now in the Playchess under false names and most of these names are Rybka related

Dr.D

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I can't speak for Dr. Hyatt, but I'd really be interested in getting some of those same answers from Vas regarding his accusation that RobboLito/Ippolit is a clone. You're getting a little shrill, Rolf. Jeremy

You compare apples with beans. Vas as businessman _has_ spoken what was necessary and that was it.
Try to challenge him in court. Everything else would be only for the competitors. However here what I asked is in Bob's own perception something of science. And therefore the questions are allowed of how Bob reflected this, how he discarded that etc. Your little plot doesnt work. BTW this is also the reason why Bob doesnt understand why Vas "isnt" speaking. He _has_ spoken and that's it. And on Playchess the clones are _not_ playing. Now I'm not running around and calling others shrill who just dont get it. Let's remain civilized. And let's not overload the importance of such internet places. Decisive for real life with real importance are Courts and the Law.

Rolf, You have done more damage to Vas Rajlich than anyone else on this site. Vas appears to have decided that he is in a hole. Having worked that out, he has stopped digging and is waiting for the fuss to die down. Unfortunately for him, he has ended up with you as a champion. Your ridiculous claims keep this issue as the main topic here.

A suggestion for you, email Vas and explain to him that you are "AWRIST" and that you are acting as his self-appointed “official spokesman” on Hiarcs and CCC. Ask him to go to the CCC site and see for himself all of the controversy that your comments has stirred up. Ask him if he wants you to carry on doing that.

A beautiful statement....
Dr.D

[bob]

So what exactly is your point supposed to be here???

I already made a short summary of questions that are still open for answers. No answers until now. Perhaps you didnt see the message before. I stripped it of all unnecessary noise and here is now what is left to be answered:


In your attempt to prove wrongdoing in Rybka, Bob, you took code from Fruit and code from Rybka, right? And you found similaritiess or even identical pieces of code. I want to believe that. How could you know that Vas took that code from the Fruit 2.1.? How did you examine if it wasnt from public domain?

Been thru this over and over. You will not find any code from fruit "in the public domain". Vas specifically mentioned PopCnt() and such, which are no problem to copy. But that is not _all_ that was copied. And the probability of something in Fruit being identical to something developed independently is simply too low to consider. For all the reasons given in earlier posts.

You are grasping at straws, and they are getting more and more improbable as you make lame attempts to justify what has happened. Won't work.

How did you secure that that what you have found, resulted from a wrong taking code out of that GPL code? How do you want to prove that without having spoken to Vas? Do you think that you can make a case, based on evidence, against the loud statement of your collegue that he had only original code in Rybka plus public domain? How do you discard OTHER explanations - say other provenience for these parts of code that you have researched, when you admitted that you havent examined the complete source code at all because you simply dont have it in total? What if Vas got a certain copy of Fruit by Fabien in late 2005? What if he bought some code from Fabien? What is if this happened before the code was declared GPL? Have you researched, the complete history of the months in late 2005? Between Fabien and Vas?? How can you be so damn certain that you think you are entitled to claim that Vas just plain lied if he said that Rybka contained ONLY original code plus public domain? Can you prove that he lied in a legal case before a court in the USA?

Just a couple of questions. Do you answer some of them?

Rolf

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

So what exactly is your point supposed to be here???

I already made a short summary of questions that are still open for answers. No answers until now. Perhaps you didnt see the message before. I stripped it of all unnecessary noise and here is now what is left to be answered:


In your attempt to prove wrongdoing in Rybka, Bob, you took code from Fruit and code from Rybka, right? And you found similaritiess or even identical pieces of code. I want to believe that. How could you know that Vas took that code from the Fruit 2.1.? How did you examine if it wasnt from public domain?

Been thru this over and over. You will not find any code from fruit "in the public domain". Vas specifically mentioned PopCnt() and such, which are no problem to copy. But that is not _all_ that was copied. And the probability of something in Fruit being identical to something developed independently is simply too low to consider. For all the reasons given in earlier posts.

You are grasping at straws, and they are getting more and more improbable as you make lame attempts to justify what has happened. Won't work.

How did you secure that that what you have found, resulted from a wrong taking code out of that GPL code? How do you want to prove that without having spoken to Vas? Do you think that you can make a case, based on evidence, against the loud statement of your collegue that he had only original code in Rybka plus public domain? How do you discard OTHER explanations - say other provenience for these parts of code that you have researched, when you admitted that you havent examined the complete source code at all because you simply dont have it in total? What if Vas got a certain copy of Fruit by Fabien in late 2005? What if he bought some code from Fabien? What is if this happened before the code was declared GPL? Have you researched, the complete history of the months in late 2005? Between Fabien and Vas?? How can you be so damn certain that you think you are entitled to claim that Vas just plain lied if he said that Rybka contained ONLY original code plus public domain? Can you prove that he lied in a legal case before a court in the USA?

Just a couple of questions. Do you answer some of them?

Rolf

Rolf has been selling his fiction lock,stock and barrel to us....he's barking on the wrong tree on this one though....there will be a time when he'll think more than twice before he tries even to post one word here....soon....
Dr.D

[Rolf]

Rolf, You have done more damage

Please, what have I done and what should I do and who are you at all. And also, are you a talented corr player? If yes, what is your hardware strength? Please elaborate.

[Rolf]

Been thru this over and over. You will not find any code from fruit "in the public domain". Vas specifically mentioned PopCnt() and such, which are no problem to copy. But that is not _all_ that was copied. And the probability of something in Fruit being identical to something developed independently is simply too low to consider. For all the reasons given in earlier posts.

You are grasping at straws, and they are getting more and more improbable as you make lame attempts to justify what has happened. Won't work.

Cant you read properly? I asked you to prove that Vas didnt buy the code from Fabien! Prove it and stop handwaving.
I asked you to prove that the taken code existed only in the Fruit 2.1 code and nowhere else. Prove it w/o handwaving.

[Harvey Williamson]

Been thru this over and over. You will not find any code from fruit "in the public domain". Vas specifically mentioned PopCnt() and such, which are no problem to copy. But that is not _all_ that was copied. And the probability of something in Fruit being identical to something developed independently is simply too low to consider. For all the reasons given in earlier posts.

You are grasping at straws, and they are getting more and more improbable as you make lame attempts to justify what has happened. Won't work.

Cant you read properly? I asked you to prove that Vas didnt buy the code from Fabien! Prove it and stop handwaving.
I asked you to prove that the taken code existed only in the Fruit 2.1 code and nowhere else. Prove it w/o handwaving.

Vas's official spokesman says that Vas bought Fruit from Fabien very interesting, can I quote you?