Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

[zullil]

Occam's what?

Shall we say Lex Parsimoniae instead?

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Occam's what?

Shall we say Lex Parsimoniae instead?

Dura lex, sed lex.

But you forgot to post SF score, what happened to those 79cps?

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Btw., apart from Rb3 sacrifice, after hg5 Qb7 is very simply winning.

[d]1r1b4/1q5k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 5

Absolutely no chance to defend that.

I just can not understand how people on this forum can not understand white is absolutely hopeless?

Black will play Rb3, but only after initial preparation.

Louis, if you want to try to defend this instead, black can win the other one, but much more difficult.

[kgburcham]

Btw., apart from Rb3 sacrifice, after hg5 Qb7 is very simply winning.
Absolutely no chance to defend that.
I just can not understand how people on this forum can not understand white is absolutely hopeless?

40/57 0:45 +1.38-- 9.Rae1 b2 (778.842.490) 17306
40/57 0:48 +1.32 9.Rae1 b2 10.Qxb2 Bf7 11.Qd2 Bxe5 12.Rxe5 Rb8 13.d5 Be8 14.d6 Rb1 15.Qd4 Qb7 (846.154.440) 17311
41/58 0:53 +1.38++ 9.Rae1 (931.689.003) 17343
41/58 0:56 +1.44++ 9.Rae1 (980.614.057) 17388
41/58 1:02 +1.53++ 9.Rae1 (1.090.729.183) 17472
41/58 1:06 +1.46-- 9.Rae1 b2 (1.160.564.859) 17472
41/58 1:10 +1.56++ 9.Rae1 (1.229.223.618) 17516
41/65 1:25 +1.50 9.Rae1 b2 10.Qxb2 Bf7 11.Qd2 Bxe5 12.Rxe5 Rb8 13.d5 Be8 14.d6 Rb1 15.Qd4 Qb7 (1.498.122.683) 17617
42/67 1:38 +1.43-- 9.Rae1 b2 (1.734.432.187) 17602
42/67 1:42 +1.50++ 9.Rae1 (1.796.942.773) 17584

[zullil]

cb3

[d]1r6/2b2q1k/6p1/p3PpPp/3PbP2/1pP5/RB3Q1K/4R3 w - - 0 8

I do not believe SF has any advantage, but the point is, did I miss the win again?

Small wonder, if I have to tackle Latin syntax instead of SF moves.

Rather than your struggle with Latin, Occam's Razor suggests the initial position is simply a draw. I see no reason to believe you "missed" a win. SF's evaluation was never once in your favor.

SF plays Raa1 with 87cp for White:
[d]1r6/2b2q1k/6p1/p3PpPp/3PbP2/1pP5/1B3Q1K/R3R3 b - - 1 19

If you were to offer a draw now, perhaps SF would accept.

Occam's what?

Bd5

[d]1r6/2b2q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/3P1P2/1pP5/1B3Q1K/R3R3 w - - 0 9

No draw here already, sorry.

Rad1
[d]1r6/2b2q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/3P1P2/1pP5/1B3Q1K/3RR3 b - - 3 20

Must leave in a hurry.

Eval is 96cp for White at depth 44

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Btw., apart from Rb3 sacrifice, after hg5 Qb7 is very simply winning.

[d]1r1b4/1q5k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 5

Absolutely no chance to defend that.

I just can not understand how people on this forum can not understand white is absolutely hopeless?

Black will play Rb3, but only after initial preparation.

Louis, if you want to try to defend this instead, black can win the other one, but much more difficult.

OK, forget about that, let's play out to the end the other one, it is simply that I just can not get how is it possible for people not to see that black has at least 90cps advantage on the main diagram, so winning?

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

cb3

[d]1r6/2b2q1k/6p1/p3PpPp/3PbP2/1pP5/RB3Q1K/4R3 w - - 0 8

I do not believe SF has any advantage, but the point is, did I miss the win again?

Small wonder, if I have to tackle Latin syntax instead of SF moves.

Rather than your struggle with Latin, Occam's Razor suggests the initial position is simply a draw. I see no reason to believe you "missed" a win. SF's evaluation was never once in your favor.

SF plays Raa1 with 87cp for White:
[d]1r6/2b2q1k/6p1/p3PpPp/3PbP2/1pP5/1B3Q1K/R3R3 b - - 1 19

If you were to offer a draw now, perhaps SF would accept.

Occam's what?

Bd5

[d]1r6/2b2q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/3P1P2/1pP5/1B3Q1K/R3R3 w - - 0 9

No draw here already, sorry.

Rad1
[d]1r6/2b2q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/3P1P2/1pP5/1B3Q1K/3RR3 b - - 3 20

Must leave in a hurry.

Eval is 96cp for White at depth 44

OK, Louis, this might not be so good for black, I made a mistake with Bc7.

Let's analyse for the last time this position, after hg5 Qb7, instead of Rb3, and then drop it.

[d]1r1b4/1q5k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 5

[zullil]

Let's analyse for the last time this position, after hg5 Qb7, instead of Rb3, and then drop it.

[d]1r1b4/1q5k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 5

SF says Ba3. Evaluation is 0.
[d]1r1b4/1q5k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/B1P5/R4Q1K/6R1 b - - 1 5

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Let's analyse for the last time this position, after hg5 Qb7, instead of Rb3, and then drop it.

[d]1r1b4/1q5k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 5

SF says Ba3. Evaluation is 0.
[d]1r1b4/1q5k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/B1P5/R4Q1K/6R1 b - - 1 5

Rb3

[d]1r1b4/1q5k/6p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/BrP5/R4Q1K/6R1 w - - 0 2

[zullil]

Rb3

[d]1r1b4/1q5k/6p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/BrP5/R4Q1K/6R1 w - - 0 2

SF plays Qd2 with score of 0.
[d]1r1b4/1q5k/6p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/BrP5/R2Q3K/6R1 b - - 3 6