Questions for the FG about the organization of the election

[hgm]

I never doubted your qualities as a programmer / developer, and your merits for the computer-ches community. But, like Ras, I don't consider these qualities very important for a moderator. Actually, not at all. I think the forum could satisfactorily be moderated by someone who knows zilch about computers and/or chess. What is needed is good manners and knowledge of human nature.

[AndrewGrant]

Anyway his remark about 'hobbyists' imo were not indicative of a pleasant personality nor respectful to many persons here on this forum, like eg. yourself...

"Hobbyist" is a reasonable word to use to describe people who are engine users // big fans that follow the engine scene, but are not actively engaged in it in terms of developing engines. It is not a pejorative. I don't know what word you prefer, but I could consider some other one.

there's not much bucks in chess, and i don't think such an activity, even if he got some compensation, counts for a job (it also won't give the social experience which a young person could get if he/she would work in a company, with colleagues, management, etc)

Chesscom is a very large company. I have a full time position. I am paid reasonably well. It is significantly less than I would be making had I stuck with the defense contracting world ( which I left and will not return to, for health and also moral/philosophical reasons ). I am probably paid below market rate, but that is a small cost to be able to do the work I am doing, and leveraging chesscom at times to help the engine community. I will say though, the MASSIVE drawback, is it did, in a sense, kill Ethereal as a hobby for me. I do still have the right to work on, and sell Ethereal, but it seems a bit silly to work on Ethereal, when I could go work on #2 instead.

I do many things, most of them being closely related to chess engines, but not always. I recently attended a company wide meetup in Cancun, where I got to see people like Magnus Carslen, listen to a talk by Maurice Ashley, and play many hours of bullet late into the night with well traveled GMs. My favorite person I met was Alexander Ipatov, who might be the coolest dude I have ever had the pleasure of talking with. I also of course got to meet with all the people I work with on a day to day, some of which I have known for years on end, and know a great deal about my life.

I was also very grateful to meet and chat for hours with Mike Klein, who the internet seems to dislike, but helped me through the process as it was my first time traveling internationally. The names go on and on. Kassa Korley was also a very awesome guy. I even made friends with my polar opposite of sorts, a social media guy named Zach. Fantastic trip.

It is of course not the same as working an office job. As I said in another post, I did work in that world for a bit. Commute and work schedule flexibility not withstanding, a proper in-person job is significantly more appealing than remote work. But thus are the times for many.

[AndrewGrant]

I never doubted your qualities as a programmer / developer, and your merits for the computer-ches community. But, like Ras, I don't consider these qualities very important for a moderator. Actually, not at all. I think the forum could satisfactorily be moderated by someone who knows zilch about computers and/or chess. What is needed is good manners and knowledge of human nature.

Indeed. I don't care about my own merits either, nor do I think they matter for moderator. In fact, someone who knows very little about engine development, and has very little personal investment, would probably make for the best moderator, as their biases are well removed from the application of the modship.

I am simply responding to Jefk, who seemed to suggest I was an unemployed, unaccomplished, uneducated poster.

[hgm]

And indeed, i had *not* reported the two
earlier insults as i'm not a coward or snitch straightaway 'reporting' every remark or criticism
'higherup' so instead i decided to shoot back, out of self defense (and a warning); ...

Well, that is exactly what we don't want, and what no civilized society tolerates: people taking the law into their own hands. The right to 'shoot back' is reserved for moderators. If you feel the need to shoot back you should report instead, using the report button (and not the PM system). And if the moderators judge that no shooting back is warranted, you should respect that decision, and not start to shoot yourself.

[shawn]

Who will shoot back then if the moderators overstep their own charter?

[lucametehau]

Who will shoot back then if the moderators overstep their own charter?

Mr. Pierce will come to the rescue

[jefk]

Mr. Pierce will come to the rescue

well this improved my mood again
(rotfl)


PS so again, i suggest we proceed with the election,
and they close this thread

[hgm]

Who will shoot back then if the moderators overstep their own charter?

In the new organization: the founders. Note, however, that the charter is for the common members, and that moderators need, and thus have more freedom. Just like judges/courts can publish verdicts in real life that would be considered libel when other people would publish the same.

[jefk]

hgm wrote

If you feel the need to shoot back (taking the law into their own hands)

see what you mean, but i used the words 'shooting' only in the meaning of American slang,

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-i ... xhVbyxCw#0

ie. simply acting/responding (not even in the sense of responding over-aggressively, which
ofcourse indeed often can lead to escalation/flaming etc (thus basically agree)).

[Rebel]

you're getting annoying Andrew, i never called someone a nazi, i only asked him .
This is for the third time; can't you read. Nb and this was only after other grave insults from
others, after which this mr Andreas joined the party (of piranhas) and
made another idiotic insinuating insult (regarding my age).

Nevertheless, it would have been worth deleting, together with the original age-related insult. But in order to intervene things should first be brought to my attention. Such mutual mud-slinging is of no interest to anyone, and as we see here it will come back time after time.

It was moderated. Context, several discord members were bullying Jef and then Jef lashed out in return, I talked to Jef and he admitted his error and promised to do better, something you seldom see! Next I informed on discord Jef was given a warning.

Cases like this led to a change in the charter, bullying no longer allowed.