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Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

Post by MikeGL »

Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/


If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

And one guy in that tech news commented "
Now, attach these to a smartphone or similar portable computer, along
with an array of microphones hidden in your shirt. With four or so high
quality microphones and a computer, you can easily visualize all the
audio sources on a screen. Then, you could choose one of these and
listen to only it. Could be useful when having conversations in a crowded
and noisy place.

It could also be very far away. Even omnidirectional mics can be made
quite sensitive, and you could pick up faint conversations from tens of
meters away, just by beamforming the audio and filtering out everything
else. Other computing aids could also be applied - you could listen to all
the conversations around you in a bar separately and either just save the
audio, or even run voice recognition and display them as text. All while
looking very innocent and just sitting and drinking coffee, possibly
looking at your smartphone.

"


Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

Post by Don »

MikeGL wrote:Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
Capital punishment would be more effective as a preventive measure if it were administered prior to the crime.
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

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Don wrote:They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
He has a heavy brain which he was using?
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

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Don wrote:
MikeGL wrote:Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

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mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
MikeGL wrote:Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.
This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.
Capital punishment would be more effective as a preventive measure if it were administered prior to the crime.
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

Post by mwyoung »

Don wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
MikeGL wrote:Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.
This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.
This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.
"The worst thing that can happen to a forum is a running wild attacking moderator(HGM) who is not corrected by the community." - Ed Schröder
But my words like silent raindrops fell. And echoed in the wells of silence.
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

Post by Don »

mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
MikeGL wrote:Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.
This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.
This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.
I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.
Capital punishment would be more effective as a preventive measure if it were administered prior to the crime.
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

Post by mwyoung »

Don wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
MikeGL wrote:Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.
This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.
This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.
I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.
This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.
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But my words like silent raindrops fell. And echoed in the wells of silence.
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

Post by Terry McCracken »

mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
MikeGL wrote:Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.
This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.
This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.
I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.
This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.

The technology exists, it's you who is being myopic! The FIDE is a laughing stock!

It's not an implant, it's simply google glass technology, a small thin lens with circuitry.

I never said that is how he's doing it but it is plausible and you would never detect it unless you knew what you are looking for!

The evidence is plentiful, the moves leave fingerprints and it's easy to see if someone is viewing the board or just moving the pieces!

http://rj3sp.blogspot.ca/2011/11/bionic ... otype.html

The contact lens has been in the works for years!
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Re: Receiving moves // Re: Borislav Ivanov: a Lilov's add-on

Post by mwyoung »

Terry McCracken wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
mwyoung wrote:
Don wrote:
MikeGL wrote:Bionic eye seems to be a bit too advanced and still out of reach for
average people. This invisible headphone is quite possible
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06 ... his-ears/

If one of the audience who is watching sends the move thru sms/txt then
receiving engine moves would be easily accomplished by any cheater
through this invisible headphone.

Seems like competitive "Over-The-Board" chess is being killed by technology.
They said he was bent over with his hands on his chin virtually the entire time. There must be a clue here somehow.
Must be a clue some where with the whole world watching him. And everyone at the tournaments Ivanov plays in watching Ivanov. And the evidence we have is ivanon supports his chin with his hands and looks at the board the whole game. And the players know what's in Ivanov's mind and what Ivanov is thinking, and Ivanov is not calculating moves and veriations. Sounds like your very close to craking this case wide open.
This is not to prove he is cheating, we are trying to figure out how he was cheating. To figure that out you have to look at anything that might be a clue. This is standard procedure in any investigation so your sarcasm doesn't even sound clever but makes you a fool.
This may make me sound clever. Instead of coming up with bogus theories and Barney type investigations. Do what Fide is doing. Let Ivanov play so you can gather more evidence if Ivanov is cheating. This is how invesagations are done correctly.
I think what is happening is that FIDE is just afraid to act for whatever reason. It's almost always easier to do nothing than to do something and they are hoping the problem will go away on its own without them having to act. From their point of view this is a reasonable strategy but not if they don't act pretty soon. They cannot afford to let tournament after tournament be ruined by cheaters.

I'm with the strong players on this one. They know what they are seeing a lot more than you or I do but I must say that you would have to be pretty naive to think there is no evidence whatsoever as you just said.

I think I understand a little better about why Kasparov tried to break away from FIDE but it's almost impossible to go against such a strongly entrenched system.
This is not hard to understand.

People are so myopic. The evidence is not there yet. Yes something strange is going on. But you don't get to the truth using witch hunt logic and tactics. This is not helping Fide's investigation by slandering Ivanov, putting forth clearly bogus theories as evidence. In a effort to put Ivanov on public trail, to force Fide into action.

Fide has not acted for the reason I have stated here many times. The evidence is not clear. Yes investigate, and the best way to do this is to let Ivanov play then watch and learn. This is what Fide is most likely doing, that is what I would do.

This is bigger then Ivanov, Don't you want to know how this scam works, how the cheating device works. So you can be prepared for the next Ivanov.
This is what Fide must do to protect the integrity of the game.

If you look at the evidence and statements by players objectively it is clear they are parroting FM Lilov's video. Because they do think Ivanov is cheating, and they think this is showing Ivanov to be a cheater.

But the statements are irrational and inconsistent. A player claiming to be able to read another players mind is not rational. A player claiming another player is cheating because he is only looking at the chess board, his clock, his score sheet is not rational. Saying a player takes a average of only 6 seconds a move like clock work in a 10 minute + 5 second inc. game and then says the player has 7 minutes left on his clock by his own words in a 37 move game is not credible. Saying it is strange and unnatural for a player to support his head with his hands and looking only at the board, and playing with confidence is not believable.

I think these statement are geared to help support the idea that Ivanov is cheating in the eye's of the public, but they don't help Fide with the investigation.

Trying to make these statements rational, has directly led to the untenable theory that Ivanov's cheating device is a bionic eye put forth by FM Lilov. Now we have more then just FM Lilov saying a doctor needs to check Ivanov's eyes, but many others because this is were the statements and evidence so far leads.

Do you really want Fide to check Ivanov's eyes by a doctor to see if Ivanov has a bionic implant that can scan the chess board, relay or process the moves with Houdini 3, they display the right counter move in Ivanov's bionic implant?

Fide would be a laughing stock.

Fide in my opinion is taking the right and logical approach. Let Ivanov play for now, and keep investigating.

The technology exists, it's you who is being myopic! The FIDE is a laughing stock!

It's not an implant, it's simply google glass technology, a small thin lens with circuitry.

I never said that is how he's doing it but it is plausible and you would never detect it unless you knew what you are looking for!

The evidence is plentiful, the moves leave fingerprints and it's easy to see if someone is viewing the board or just moving the pieces!

http://rj3sp.blogspot.ca/2011/11/bionic ... otype.html

The contact lens has been in the works for years!
OK, if the bionic eye technology is real. Answer some question about it, not google glasses that everyone would be able to see.

Where can you buy this bionic eye or lens device?

How much does it cost this bionic eye or lens device?

Is it able to scan a chess board, then run Houdini 3, and display the counter move in the bionic eye or lens device?

Does it have a radio or internet capability, and if so what is the range, frequency, and power source, and power of transmission, of the bionic eye or lens device, and what antenna technology is used that could be put into a human eye?

What is the pixel density of the bionic eye, or lens device?

what is the processor type and speed that runs the bionic eye, or lens device?

Will you buy me one it sounds cool.
"The worst thing that can happen to a forum is a running wild attacking moderator(HGM) who is not corrected by the community." - Ed Schröder
But my words like silent raindrops fell. And echoed in the wells of silence.