Lexibook dedicated computer question

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JonP01

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

Post by JonP01 »

Hi Steve,

I think Cameron is referring to a result in a formal 20 game match at classical, rateable time controls. In that instance, I would agree with him that there will be enough Yeno mince meat left on the table for one to make up a 24-pie party pack :wink:

Star Beryl will win 13.5 - 6.5 Regards

Jonathan
klute

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

Post by klute »

Steve B wrote:
klute wrote:

The Yeno 430 XT and its brethren likewise would have their still beating CPUs torn out and eaten by Star Beryl in an orgy of destruction.

Cameron


well ...not exactly:

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 101#123101

Nuff Said Regards
Steve
Steve, Steve...

It's obvious Star Beryl is toying with the hapless Yeno to lull it into a false sense of security with the goal of goading the French machine into a long match - and utter humiliation for the Gallic pretender. Star Beryl's 2. b4 in Game 1 sets the scene.

Kittinger managed to not only shoe-horn an 800 ply opening book into his latest 4K creation, but also a psychology sub-routine it seems.

Simply amazing regards

Cameron

PS - I hope it doesn't become common knowledge that my beloved Tandy 1650 with Danielsen 4K program lives under my bedside table. :shock:

PSS - I hope it also doesn't become common knowledge that Kittinger will personally deliver my new free Citrine. :wink:
JonP01

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

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Yours is to be personally delivered? :shock: I guess we should clarify - that is the Dave Kittinger Limited Edition Signature Series Citrine. Not the bog standard one.
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Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

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JonP01 wrote:I was just looking at Kaare Danielson's website:

http://www.danielsen.com/resume.shtml

He indicates that he developed a newer 4K program for Yeno in 1993. I had thought the program in the Lexibooks was just a slightly modified version of the program found in the old Scysis Explorer, Companion II and Concord (with the faster clock speed).

It looks, however, like it was an all-new development for a different processor line (Motorola) though. Given that I feel the Novag Star Beryl is perhaps 100 - 120 points stronger than the original Companion II, it looks like a match between Star Beryl and a Lexibook machine would be much closer than I first thought. It's possible the Lexibook could even be stronger - I have absolutely no idea now!

I am amazed at the total lack of respect these companies show for their customers.

Some still sell the same program 15 or 20 years after it has initially been written.

So what? They sell hundreths of thousands of these computers and can't hire a programmer to write a state of the art program for them?

The consumers should be better informed about this.


// Christophe
JonP01

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

Post by JonP01 »

It is an unfortuante state of affairs and that is why most would agree that the Golden Age of dedicated machines was well and truly over long ago. Things started to crumble when signifcant numbers of clones began to appear. Then cloning became the rule rather than the exception.

It is indeed a real pity, for example, that Saitek don't contract someone such as Danielson (who has more than proven his worth in working with the miniscule hardware these companies throw into their machines) to write even just one, decent 8K or 16K program.

Saitek are probably the worst "offender" of the lot..endless rehashes of old programs, no improvements, bugs in some of them that continue from product to product because the programs are never revised...and their cheaper range of computers I would bet are barely any stronger than something like a Chess Challenger 7 - if that. Their Travel Chess, for example, plays absolutely horrific chess - it is barely anything much more than a material evaluator that plays legal moves.

At least Novag seem to continue their efforts in actually doing new things - not just putting ancient programs into new housings.
Steve B

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

Post by Steve B »

JonP01 wrote:Hi Steve,

I think Cameron is referring to a result in a formal 20 game match at classical, rateable time controls. In that instance, I would agree with him that there will be enough Yeno mince meat left on the table for one to make up a 24-pie party pack :wink:

Star Beryl will win 13.5 - 6.5 Regards

Jonathan

oh i see
so now it a formal 20 game affair that he was referring to in his reply to my post of a 2 game match
yes i can see where he clearly mentioned that

its a good thing we didnt play 20 games to draw ..we would thennow be discussing his same post about a 200 game match

:wink:


Yeno =SB in Strength Regards
Steve
PS..Who was that Cebit guy?
Steve B

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

Post by Steve B »

klute wrote:
Star Beryl's 2. b4 in Game 1 sets the scene.
i was stunned when i saw 2.b4
when i asked Jon if the SB really played that there was a looong eerie silence before he replied in a rather unconvincing ..weak ....yes


Human Intervention and the Hand Of God Regards
Steve
JonP01

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

Post by JonP01 »

I don't know who he was. Maybe it was Kittinger incognito :wink:
JonP01

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

Post by JonP01 »

You were stunned? I had to check the display 10 times to really be sure it had played b4. I thought it had blown a gasket :wink:
Steve B

Re: Lexibook dedicated computer question

Post by Steve B »

JonP01 wrote:You were stunned? I had to check the display 10 times to really be sure it had played b4. I thought it had blown a gasket :wink:
and we all know that looking at the SB display is never much help to begin with

E=F Regards
Steve