Rybka v Ehlvest rematch

[Harvey Williamson]

in one Challenge they are trying to get into the Fide event arguing that the best chess engine is not even allowed to compete

in the other challenge they have picked the same usual suspects(GM Ehlvest) to play Rybka against thereby bypassing or even ignoring the half-dozen or so GM's that replied to the challenge
(Kaufman himself admits that about 6 GM's responded to the challenge)
so they seem to be guilty of the same thing they have shown the corrupt Fide to be guilty of

the results are the same though

when its your money at stake...you damn well play whomever you choose to play



Some what Amused Regards
Steve

hmm interesting point Steve. While I have to say I support Vas's challenge to Fide I think your point above is well made.

[Jim Walker]

Steve,
I quote you here:
"actually there is no need for any travel expenses or meals or even lodging for that matter

there is something new called the "Internet"
perhaps you have heard of it? "

I know you are smart enough to know my comment about your post was aimed at the above statement by you. Since I'm using the internet daily your comment was stupid. You are simply twisting things to make it sound like I said your post was stupid. I stand by my remark, the above comment by you is stupid.

Now a question. Would you be willing to bet anyone $11,000 he cannot beat you in chess playing on the internet? If so then you are stupid. The requirement to play at a certain location is obvious and will for most GMs cause expenses. This is obviously a factor in the selection.
Get a grip on the real world.
No need to go on since you are not reading this anyway.
Jim

[Uri Blass]

actually i did make a positive counter suggestion

play on the Internet against a different GM thereby eliminating the need for living expenses

Steve

This is clearly a bad idea because of possible cheating.
All the idea of not playing in the internet is to prevent cheating.

It is possible to cheat also in games that are not in the internet but in that case you take a big risk that people will discover that you cheat.

Uri

[Steve B]

actually i did make a positive counter suggestion

play on the Internet against a different GM thereby eliminating the need for living expenses

Steve

This is clearly a bad idea because of possible cheating.
All the idea of not playing in the internet is to prevent cheating.

It is possible to cheat also in games that are not in the internet but in that case you take a big risk that people will discover that you cheat.

Uri

i have already suggested in this post that a neutral party approved by both sides could be present in the GM's home to insure no cheating
paid out of the 11000 prize fund

this is much simpler then forcing the GM to play in Kaufmans house or eliminating other GM.s because they do not live near Kaufman ..a clearly silly requirement


Benjamin would have been a perfect choice instead of Ehlvest again

he lives in NYC where MANY well known GM's live and there would easily be found someone acceptable to both parties as a neutral observer
also Benjamins USCF Rating is almost the exact same as Ehlvest's and he is well experienced in computer chess

as it is now i think this match will not get much interest because it is once again Ehlvest
with Benjamin it would garner more interest i think..it certainly would not attract less interest
there is nothing to lose to pick Benjamin and perhaps more to gain

Steve

[Terry McCracken]

You guys are really funny. What did I do, insult the local boys club of Rybka haters? If any post was uncalled for it was Steves. If he knew anything about the attempt to get top ranked GMs to play he wouldn't have made his snide comments. I simply pointed out that if he could get one of the top players better than the one Larry accepted then the should do it and not just put down someone who actually went out and set up the match.
Steve. As for the internet, I believe I'm using it now so your remark is simply stupid. The requirement to play at Larrys place keeps the game honest and above reproach.
I will repeat again... The match was open to ALL GMs above a certain rating so nobody above that rating was excluded. So your comments about not getting a higher player are again lacking in foresight or understanding of the offer. You simply use this forum as an outlet to vent your anger at the Rybka program for no reason. I've always considered you as a friend but when you are wrong you are wrong. Maybe you could add a few thousand dollars to tempt a higher rated player. Maybe you could tell Larry what he did wrong that made most GMs turn down the opportunity to win $11K. Maybe you could just once make a positive suggestion instead of pointing out negatives that really do not exist. Maybe you are just not interested in saying anything positive about the Rybka team. I don't know what your motivation is but it's misplaced in my opinion and that's what I'm trying to point out.
Jim

Oh, boy...

[Steve B]

in one Challenge they are trying to get into the Fide event arguing that the best chess engine is not even allowed to compete

in the other challenge they have picked the same usual suspects(GM Ehlvest) to play Rybka against thereby bypassing or even ignoring the half-dozen or so GM's that replied to the challenge
(Kaufman himself admits that about 6 GM's responded to the challenge)
so they seem to be guilty of the same thing they have shown the corrupt Fide to be guilty of

the results are the same though

when its your money at stake...you damn well play whomever you choose to play



Some what Amused Regards
Steve

hmm interesting point Steve. While I have to say I support Vas's challenge to Fide I think your point above is well made.

you might want to be careful in agreeing with me here Harvey
there are a few "Rocket Scientists" around here who will be quick to call you Anti-Rybka

although anyone who knows you well enough would know this is not so..
Still ..that wont slow them down any ..Geniuses.. they are not

anyway i see Kaufman is now finally being taken to task but good on the Rybka site for his choice of Elhvest

so i guess i was just one of the first to voice dissent

Ahead Of The Curve Regards
Steve

[Graham Banks]

anyway i see Kaufman is now finally being taken to task but good on the Rybka site for his choice of Elhvest

so i guess i was just one of the first to voice dissent

Ahead Of The Curve Regards
Steve

Wouldn't really mattered who he'd chosen as there would still be people moaning and groaning.

Regards, Graham.

[Jim Walker]

Exactly right Graham. And can someone please tell me why a lower rated player is preferable to the GM selected? This match is entirely different from the first pawn odds match. All the differences are spelled out clearly. Besides I'm really interested to see if Ehlvest learned anything from the first encounter. At least he won 2 of the final 3 games which showed me he was adjusting. This match will be longer and he will have time odds. The bottom line is if he fails then there is nothing to prevent someone else trying again later. And the real bottom line after that is if you are not interested then simply ignore the whole thing. No need to put it down just because it's not exactly what you want.
I'm finished here.
Jim

[Steve B]

anyway i see Kaufman is now finally being taken to task but good on the Rybka site for his choice of Elhvest

so i guess i was just one of the first to voice dissent

Ahead Of The Curve Regards
Steve

Wouldn't really mattered who he'd chosen as there would still be people moaning and groaning.

Regards, Graham.

yes i can just see the complaints coming in fast and furious if Kaufman chose Nakamura
..somehow.. i just dont think so..(of course i can see Ehlvest complaining )


but you are right about something though..
i and others would still call the match itself bizarre because of the goofy match terms and therefore not very interesting

so basically there are two bollixed up parts to this challenge

Ehlvest
Terms of play

Non Event Regards
Steve

[Graham Banks]

anyway i see Kaufman is now finally being taken to task but good on the Rybka site for his choice of Elhvest

so i guess i was just one of the first to voice dissent

Ahead Of The Curve Regards
Steve

Wouldn't really mattered who he'd chosen as there would still be people moaning and groaning.

Regards, Graham.

yes i can just see the complaints coming in fast and furious if Kaufman chose Nakamura
..somehow.. i just dont think so..(of course i can see Ehlvest complaining )


but you are right about something though..
i and others would still call the match itself bizarre because of the goofy match terms and therefore not very interesting

so basically there are two bollixed up parts to this challenge

Ehlvest
Terms of play

Non Event Regards
Steve

Usually the silent majority keep quiet. It's always a vocal minority who make all the noise.
This is a well established maxim regarding most things in life.

Regards, Graham.