Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

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YL84

Re: Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

Post by YL84 »

S.Taylor wrote:
YL84 wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:Have you ever considered the possibility that implementing SMP is rather hard? They spend years optimizing it as well. Using your logic 93 octane gasoline should be the same price as 89.
It SHOULD be the same price nevertheless :wink:
Yves
If it is te same price, there would be no need to have any single proccessor versions anymore, just buy the deep one.
I take it that deep versions do both.

But, there COULD be a cheaper version for only single, and that could be at 25% less. So either $49, or about $62.50 for the deep.
I was talking about oil, not about chess programmes :wink:
On the latter, what about 30$ for SP and 49$ for MP if you want different prices ?
:lol:
Just kidding,
Yves
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Re: Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

Post by Jim Walker »

I see no reason to develope single cpu programs for chess anymore. After all, the multi cpu programs will run on 1 cpu if needed. Anyone developing single cpu programs only should start on the multi cpu programs immediately or you will be in a very small minority very soon. What's wrong with say $75 for the new multi cpu versions instead of $50 for single and $100 for multi ?? I might be persuaded to spend $75 for a new multi cpu version of Shredder but so far I have purchased neither the single or multi version since Shredder 9. I understand people who spend several thousand dollars for multi cpu machines will spend $100 for the programs to use it fully. I only have a dual and I'm not going for anything higher for several more years. This makes the multi cpu version only slightly more desirable for me than the single version. At this point even the single versions don't hold much interest anymore if they can't compete with Rybka.
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Re: Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

Post by Uri Blass »

Jim Walker wrote:I see no reason to develope single cpu programs for chess anymore. After all, the multi cpu programs will run on 1 cpu if needed. Anyone developing single cpu programs only should start on the multi cpu programs immediately or you will be in a very small minority very soon. What's wrong with say $75 for the new multi cpu versions instead of $50 for single and $100 for multi ?? I might be persuaded to spend $75 for a new multi cpu version of Shredder but so far I have purchased neither the single or multi version since Shredder 9. I understand people who spend several thousand dollars for multi cpu machines will spend $100 for the programs to use it fully. I only have a dual and I'm not going for anything higher for several more years. This makes the multi cpu version only slightly more desirable for me than the single version. At this point even the single versions don't hold much interest anymore if they can't compete with Rybka.
Jim
There is a reason to develop single cpu programs.

You need to work more time to develop multi-cpu programs and not everybody has the time.

Most of the free programs support only single cpu because programmers did not spend time on supporting more than one processor.

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Re: Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

Post by Karmazen & Oliver »

of course:
In that moment a lot of people have DUAL, QUAD, DUAL+DUAL, QUAD+QUAD, and 4xQAUD ¡¡ etc...

but I like use ONLY one CPU... I have two PC, a 200MMX ( yes ¡¡ it have 9 years ¡¡ and 128 MB ), and windows 98 SE, since 2001.. ok not reinstalling system in a lot of years..

and the other PC. more new, a DUAL 820 D with 2 GB and raptors HDD, ok... I like multi cores... ok... but I like engines on SINGLE...

why ?

I like use the PC for more ONE job... and on second plane, engine thinking about one position, or analisys my real games... but NOT like THAT ALL COREs, are thinking in chess...

only ONE... if I have two...

< Wats consume, < temp, < noise .. I have time while I worked in others jobs... or read in internet, or checking my mails...

I don´t like THE MULTI MP engines ¡¡¡ and the better are not so big... < 50-100 points of ELO...

maybe it´s better if THE ENGINE can select How MANY % of CPU and number of that use...

bye-
99 € is very expensive... not like for me...
YL84

Re: Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

Post by YL84 »

Just a joke, why not a price = 49$*number of CPU's :lol: ?
Yves
Vempele

Re: Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

Post by Vempele »

YL84 wrote:Just a joke, why not a price = 49$*number of CPU's :lol: ?
Yves
Fine by me: My machine only has one CPU (in fact, neither Vista nor XP support more than 2). It's a dual core, though. :D
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Greed

Post by Matthias Gemuh »

It is 93% greed.


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My engine was quite strong till I added knowledge to it.
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LJC

Re: Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

Post by LJC »

"I see no reason to develope single cpu programs for chess anymore. After all, the multi cpu programs will run on 1 cpu if needed. Anyone developing single cpu programs only should start on the multi cpu programs immediately or you will be in a very small minority very soon. What's wrong with say $75 for the new multi cpu versions instead of $50 for single and $100 for multi ??"


That sounds logical & fair to me. Good point!
YL84

Re: Why are authors charging EXTRA for Deep versions?

Post by YL84 »

If you stop to develop single CPU programmes, I would prefer, as a buyer, 49$ for multiprocessor version, as was the single processor version before ! That sounds more logical, otherwise there will be an increase in the price which is probably not justified. The other option being not to buy chess softwares anymore :wink:
Yves