S.Taylor wrote:Might it not just be that Fritz 9 and 10's aggressiveness was weakness, and that by removing weaknesses, the playing seems less aggressive?
(If this (the above) IS the case, I welcome it. If not, I spurn [highly dislike] it).
The fact is that Fritz 9 and Fritz 10 both tried to attack the king but very often over estimated their possibilities, in this sense some body had to teach something to them about fundamental bases of the chess that gave steinitz, probably the new version wolud still made king attack but less often that Fritz 9 and Fritz 10, now fritz take more care about the pawn structure and dynamic adventage and probably positional sacrifices?
Happy to know that as much as I already ordered one for me, here, in ICD. I have always loved CB products. Well done, lot of features, etc
I like rich programs, not just the bare engine.
I like the voice and his comments
I feel I expend well my money with Fritz
fern wrote:Happy to know that as much as I already ordered one for me, here, in ICD. I have always loved CB products. Well done, lot of features, etc
I like rich programs, not just the bare engine.
I like the voice and his comments
I feel I expend well my money with Fritz
Fernando
And you may finally get a program that you have trouble beating!
S.Taylor wrote:Might it not just be that Fritz 9 and 10's aggressiveness was weakness, and that by removing weaknesses, the playing seems less aggressive?
The speculative nature of the aggressive moves was the weakness, but Zappa Mexico is very strong and it has a style very different from Rybka.
Your beliefs create your reality, so be careful what you wish for.
S.Taylor wrote:Might it not just be that Fritz 9 and 10's aggressiveness was weakness, and that by removing weaknesses, the playing seems less aggressive?
The speculative nature of the aggressive moves was the weakness, but Zappa Mexico is very strong and it has a style very different from Rybka.
You mean Zappa Mexico is like what one might dream about Fritz 11 but WITH the aggressiveness in tact?
Casn you or anyone give a comparrison between strenghs and styles of 1) Rybka, 2), Zappa Mexico, and 3). Friz 11?
S.Taylor wrote:You mean Zappa Mexico is like what one might dream about Fritz 11 but WITH the aggressiveness in tact?
Casn you or anyone give a comparrison between strenghs and styles of 1) Rybka, 2), Zappa Mexico, and 3). Friz 11?
I don't have Fritz 11 so I don't know. Zappa Mexico is not very aggressive, but it is more aggressive than Rybka (More in quiet positions, you will notice that Zappa goes to attack, while Rybka sometimes doesn't seem to know that she has to checkmate the opposite king.)
To me, it seems that Zappa is playing the better chess, it's just that it's analyzing it too slowly (or that Rybka analyzes way too fast), so while Zappa may be evaluating better the positions, Rybka is seeing just way too deeper and Zappa can't keep with the pace.
If someone could make Zappa faster (Like it having the speed of Rybka) in the searching for positions, I'd bet it could be beating Rybka, by a decent margin. But maybe this is just impossible.
Your beliefs create your reality, so be careful what you wish for.
Yes! the awareness of the need to win, should be a strong awareness in good chess programs.
It's interesting exactly how much of this is possible, before causing play to start getting unsound, even slightly.
Fritz 11: 17.9 ply; 1.766kN/s Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz 2394MHz, (2 threads)
[d]4r3/5qk1/3brpp1/3p1n1p/pppPnP1P/P1P2NP1/1PQ1R1K1/2B1RN2 b - - 0 130
[d]4r3/2b1r1k1/4qpp1/1p1p1n1p/p1pPnP1P/P1P2NP1/1PQ1R2K/2B1RN2 b - - 0 97
[d]4r3/5rk1/2qb1pp1/1p1ppn1p/p1pPnP1P/P1P1PNP1/1PQ1R1K1/2B1RN2 w - - 0 68
[d]r2r2k1/pp3pp1/1q1bpn2/2pp1n1p/3P1P2/P1PQPNP1/1P1N2KP/R1B1R3 w - h6 0 15
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
S.Taylor wrote:You mean Zappa Mexico is like what one might dream about Fritz 11 but WITH the aggressiveness in tact?
Casn you or anyone give a comparrison between strenghs and styles of 1) Rybka, 2), Zappa Mexico, and 3). Friz 11?
I don't have Fritz 11 so I don't know. Zappa Mexico is not very aggressive, but it is more aggressive than Rybka (More in quiet positions, you will notice that Zappa goes to attack, while Rybka sometimes doesn't seem to know that she has to checkmate the opposite king.)
To me, it seems that Zappa is playing the better chess, it's just that it's analyzing it too slowly (or that Rybka analyzes way too fast), so while Zappa may be evaluating better the positions, Rybka is seeing just way too deeper and Zappa can't keep with the pace.
If someone could make Zappa faster (Like it having the speed of Rybka) in the searching for positions, I'd bet it could be beating Rybka, by a decent margin. But maybe this is just impossible.
Good point. I recall Antony saying that he has very precise evaluation while Rybka has superior search. He said that before the match with Rybka he didn't believe in those search "tricks". However, he said that he changed his opinion (I think after the game Zappa lost with black with the white pawn on a7 and black queen blocking it from a8 ).
Hope Antony will someday implement some of those "tricks".
