[CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

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Which Engines Will gain Promotion to Division 5?(Pick 3)

Poll ended at Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:46 pm

Joker
3
17%
Rotor
0
No votes
NOW
2
11%
Counter
1
6%
Xpdnt
3
17%
Flux
1
6%
Flux
1
6%
Pupsi
2
11%
Alichess
1
6%
Homer
1
6%
Other
3
17%
 
Total votes: 18

Tony Thomas

Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by Tony Thomas »

I would like to pick Xpdnt instead of Now, to me the new version looks promising. So my picks are Counter, Pupsi, Xpdnt.
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Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by Uri Blass »

Tony Thomas wrote:I would like to pick Xpdnt instead of Now, to me the new version looks promising. So my picks are Counter, Pupsi, Xpdnt.
I also would like to pick Xpdnt instead of Pupsi
The reason is that swami already said in another thread that xpdnet won a division.

It means that I guess the following
Xpdnet
BBchess
Joker

Uri
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Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by hgm »

Well, just to scare you 8-) :
[White "Rybka 2.32a-x32"]
[Black "Joker 1.1.14w"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
[Annotator "5. -0.30 1... -0.09"]
1. e4 e5 {-0.09/10} 2. Nc3 Nf6 {-0.07/10} 3. Bc4 Bb4 {+0.00/9} 4. f4 Nc6 {+0.25/10} 5. Nf3 {-0.30/11} exf4 {+0.46/10} 6. O-O O-O {+0.58/10} 7. e5 Ng4 {+0.55/12} 8. d4 {-0.37/11} d6 {+0.43/12} 9. Bxf4 {-0.39/12} dxe5 {+1.50/11} 10. Nxe5 {-0.37/13} Ncxe5 {+0.87/12} 11. Bxe5 {-0.26/9} Nxe5 {+0.93/12} 12. dxe5 {-0.42/13} Qe7 {+0.89/11} 13. Qd3 {-0.38/12} Be6 {+0.79/12} 14. Bxe6 {-0.42/13} Qxe6 {+0.75/12} 15. Qe4 {-0.42/14} Bxc3 {+1.02/11} 16. bxc3 {-0.55/14} b6 {+1.05/12} 17. Rad1 {-0.45/13} f6 {+1.21/11} 18. Rf5 {-0.42/12} Rad8 {+1.23/12} 19. Rd4 {-0.64/13} Rde8 {+1.61/12} 20. Qd5 {-0.67/13} Qxd5 {+1.42/14} 21. Rxd5 {-0.82/15} c6 {+1.18/14} 22. Rd7 {-0.51/16} fxe5 {+1.00/15} 23. Rxf8+ {-0.53/13} Kxf8 {+0.99/15} 24. Rxa7 {-0.50/17} Rd8 {+0.94/14} 25. Ra6 {-0.50/17} Rd1+ {+1.02/14} 26. Kf2 {-0.50/17} Rc1 {+0.98/14} 27. Rxb6 {-0.54/18} Rxc2+ {+1.03/1} 28. Kf3 {-0.54/19} Rxc3+ {+1.04/3} 29. Ke4 {-0.49/19} Rc2 {+1.05/15} 30. a4 {-0.31/12} Rxg2 {+1.15/12} 31. Kxe5 {-0.08/12} Rxh2 {+1.07/12} 32. a5 {-0.44/16} Re2+ {+1.54/12} 33. Kd6 {+0.38/12} Ra2 {+1.21/13} 34. a6 {+0.00/17} c5 {+0.67/12} 35. Kxc5 {+0.00/15} h5 {+0.00/13} 36. Rb8+ {+0.00/17} Kf7 {+0.00/15} 37. Kb6 {+0.00/14} Rb2+ {+0.00/15} 38. Ka7 {+0.05/16} Re2 {-0.38/15} 39. Rh8 {+0.00/16} Rh2 {+0.00/13} 40. Kb6 {+0.00/19} Rb2+ {+0.00/16} 41. Kc7 {+0.00/21} Ra2 {+0.00/18} 42. Kb7 {+0.00/22} Rb2+ {+0.00/17} 43. Kc6 {+0.00/23} Ra2 {+0.00/19} 44. Kb7 {+0.00/26} Rb2+ {+0.00/16} 45. Kc6 {+0.00/28} Ra2 {+0.00/18} 46. Kb7 {+0.00/27} {Draw by repetition} 1/2-1/2
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Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by Ovyron »

BBchess
Tytan
Joker

I didn't check all the votes, so sorry if I'm being a follower ;)
Your beliefs create your reality, so be careful what you wish for.
Tony Thomas

Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by Tony Thomas »

Uri Blass wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:I would like to pick Xpdnt instead of Now, to me the new version looks promising. So my picks are Counter, Pupsi, Xpdnt.
I also would like to pick Xpdnt instead of Pupsi
The reason is that swami already said in another thread that xpdnet won a division.

It means that I guess the following
Xpdnet
BBchess
Joker

Uri
Uri, you inhale vigorously. I was trying not to let the whole world know.
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Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by swami »

Uri Blass wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:I would like to pick Xpdnt instead of Now, to me the new version looks promising. So my picks are Counter, Pupsi, Xpdnt.
I also would like to pick Xpdnt instead of Pupsi
The reason is that swami already said in another thread that xpdnet won a division.

It means that I guess the following
Xpdnet
BBchess
Joker

Uri
Xpdnt won a division in older edition-thats the fact, I said in that thread "It finished first in a division IIRC." note the use of the word 'IIRC'

if you want to pick xpdnt here, no problem but just to make sure that I meant one of the older edition in that thread, and it doesn't mean that Xpdnt won this tournament.
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Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by swami »

hgm wrote:Well, just to scare you 8-) :
[White "Rybka 2.32a-x32"]
[Black "Joker 1.1.14w"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
[Annotator "5. -0.30 1... -0.09"]
1. e4 e5 {-0.09/10} 2. Nc3 Nf6 {-0.07/10} 3. Bc4 Bb4 {+0.00/9} 4. f4 Nc6 {+0.25/10} 5. Nf3 {-0.30/11} exf4 {+0.46/10} 6. O-O O-O {+0.58/10} 7. e5 Ng4 {+0.55/12} 8. d4 {-0.37/11} d6 {+0.43/12} 9. Bxf4 {-0.39/12} dxe5 {+1.50/11} 10. Nxe5 {-0.37/13} Ncxe5 {+0.87/12} 11. Bxe5 {-0.26/9} Nxe5 {+0.93/12} 12. dxe5 {-0.42/13} Qe7 {+0.89/11} 13. Qd3 {-0.38/12} Be6 {+0.79/12} 14. Bxe6 {-0.42/13} Qxe6 {+0.75/12} 15. Qe4 {-0.42/14} Bxc3 {+1.02/11} 16. bxc3 {-0.55/14} b6 {+1.05/12} 17. Rad1 {-0.45/13} f6 {+1.21/11} 18. Rf5 {-0.42/12} Rad8 {+1.23/12} 19. Rd4 {-0.64/13} Rde8 {+1.61/12} 20. Qd5 {-0.67/13} Qxd5 {+1.42/14} 21. Rxd5 {-0.82/15} c6 {+1.18/14} 22. Rd7 {-0.51/16} fxe5 {+1.00/15} 23. Rxf8+ {-0.53/13} Kxf8 {+0.99/15} 24. Rxa7 {-0.50/17} Rd8 {+0.94/14} 25. Ra6 {-0.50/17} Rd1+ {+1.02/14} 26. Kf2 {-0.50/17} Rc1 {+0.98/14} 27. Rxb6 {-0.54/18} Rxc2+ {+1.03/1} 28. Kf3 {-0.54/19} Rxc3+ {+1.04/3} 29. Ke4 {-0.49/19} Rc2 {+1.05/15} 30. a4 {-0.31/12} Rxg2 {+1.15/12} 31. Kxe5 {-0.08/12} Rxh2 {+1.07/12} 32. a5 {-0.44/16} Re2+ {+1.54/12} 33. Kd6 {+0.38/12} Ra2 {+1.21/13} 34. a6 {+0.00/17} c5 {+0.67/12} 35. Kxc5 {+0.00/15} h5 {+0.00/13} 36. Rb8+ {+0.00/17} Kf7 {+0.00/15} 37. Kb6 {+0.00/14} Rb2+ {+0.00/15} 38. Ka7 {+0.05/16} Re2 {-0.38/15} 39. Rh8 {+0.00/16} Rh2 {+0.00/13} 40. Kb6 {+0.00/19} Rb2+ {+0.00/16} 41. Kc7 {+0.00/21} Ra2 {+0.00/18} 42. Kb7 {+0.00/22} Rb2+ {+0.00/17} 43. Kc6 {+0.00/23} Ra2 {+0.00/19} 44. Kb7 {+0.00/26} Rb2+ {+0.00/16} 45. Kc6 {+0.00/28} Ra2 {+0.00/18} 46. Kb7 {+0.00/27} {Draw by repetition} 1/2-1/2

Good One,H.G :D :P
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Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by swami »

Graham Banks wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:Swami, the way you suggest is kind of cheating, dont you think? Winning that way cant be all that fun.
No it's not cheating. It's called doing some checking out.
There is no guarantee anybody will win with their picks.
If it's any consolation, I just look at the CCRL 40/40 list. :lol:

Regards, Graham.
Yes,Graham, you could analyze the strength of these engines with the computer by running short tournament,referring to the updated rating list, anything goes, no restrictions. :D
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Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by Uri Blass »

hgm wrote:Well, just to scare you 8-) :
[White "Rybka 2.32a-x32"]
[Black "Joker 1.1.14w"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]
[Annotator "5. -0.30 1... -0.09"]
1. e4 e5 {-0.09/10} 2. Nc3 Nf6 {-0.07/10} 3. Bc4 Bb4 {+0.00/9} 4. f4 Nc6 {+0.25/10} 5. Nf3 {-0.30/11} exf4 {+0.46/10} 6. O-O O-O {+0.58/10} 7. e5 Ng4 {+0.55/12} 8. d4 {-0.37/11} d6 {+0.43/12} 9. Bxf4 {-0.39/12} dxe5 {+1.50/11} 10. Nxe5 {-0.37/13} Ncxe5 {+0.87/12} 11. Bxe5 {-0.26/9} Nxe5 {+0.93/12} 12. dxe5 {-0.42/13} Qe7 {+0.89/11} 13. Qd3 {-0.38/12} Be6 {+0.79/12} 14. Bxe6 {-0.42/13} Qxe6 {+0.75/12} 15. Qe4 {-0.42/14} Bxc3 {+1.02/11} 16. bxc3 {-0.55/14} b6 {+1.05/12} 17. Rad1 {-0.45/13} f6 {+1.21/11} 18. Rf5 {-0.42/12} Rad8 {+1.23/12} 19. Rd4 {-0.64/13} Rde8 {+1.61/12} 20. Qd5 {-0.67/13} Qxd5 {+1.42/14} 21. Rxd5 {-0.82/15} c6 {+1.18/14} 22. Rd7 {-0.51/16} fxe5 {+1.00/15} 23. Rxf8+ {-0.53/13} Kxf8 {+0.99/15} 24. Rxa7 {-0.50/17} Rd8 {+0.94/14} 25. Ra6 {-0.50/17} Rd1+ {+1.02/14} 26. Kf2 {-0.50/17} Rc1 {+0.98/14} 27. Rxb6 {-0.54/18} Rxc2+ {+1.03/1} 28. Kf3 {-0.54/19} Rxc3+ {+1.04/3} 29. Ke4 {-0.49/19} Rc2 {+1.05/15} 30. a4 {-0.31/12} Rxg2 {+1.15/12} 31. Kxe5 {-0.08/12} Rxh2 {+1.07/12} 32. a5 {-0.44/16} Re2+ {+1.54/12} 33. Kd6 {+0.38/12} Ra2 {+1.21/13} 34. a6 {+0.00/17} c5 {+0.67/12} 35. Kxc5 {+0.00/15} h5 {+0.00/13} 36. Rb8+ {+0.00/17} Kf7 {+0.00/15} 37. Kb6 {+0.00/14} Rb2+ {+0.00/15} 38. Ka7 {+0.05/16} Re2 {-0.38/15} 39. Rh8 {+0.00/16} Rh2 {+0.00/13} 40. Kb6 {+0.00/19} Rb2+ {+0.00/16} 41. Kc7 {+0.00/21} Ra2 {+0.00/18} 42. Kb7 {+0.00/22} Rb2+ {+0.00/17} 43. Kc6 {+0.00/23} Ra2 {+0.00/19} 44. Kb7 {+0.00/26} Rb2+ {+0.00/16} 45. Kc6 {+0.00/28} Ra2 {+0.00/18} 46. Kb7 {+0.00/27} {Draw by repetition} 1/2-1/2
Which book did you use for rybka?
4.f4 is not in rybkaII.ctg that has only 4.a3 and 4.Nf3
6.0-0 is also not in rybkaII.ctg and rybka does not like this move
Rybka prefers 6.a3 at depths 10-15
7.e5 is also not in rybkaII.ctg book and rybka prefers 7.d3
Tony Thomas

Re: [CCB]Division 6,Edition 7: 16 Engines!

Post by Tony Thomas »

swami wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:Swami, the way you suggest is kind of cheating, dont you think? Winning that way cant be all that fun.
No it's not cheating. It's called doing some checking out.
There is no guarantee anybody will win with their picks.
If it's any consolation, I just look at the CCRL 40/40 list. :lol:

Regards, Graham.
Yes,Graham, you could analyze the strength of these engines with the computer by running short tournament,referring to the updated rating list, anything goes, no restrictions. :D
I have a life outside of computer chess, mainly Romi and goat. It isnt very important for me to win this tournament, though I would like to. I do refer to my own rating list, but weird things happen in a tournament with only 30 or so rounds. For example many engines placed ahead of Romichess in your previous tournament. In a head to head match Romi would annihilate most of them. Swami, you put me in a dilemma with your Xpdnt post. I guess I better go back to my first guess. NOW, Counter, Pupsi. I mean how many times can you Counter wrong NOW with Pepsi.