ChessWar XII A : standings after round 8

[Graham Banks]

by the way,i have a nice engine called oxygen from my friend Robindu Guha,wouldn't you like to test it for ccrl??
Its private but i am sure he will pop up again , ......someday
Best
Fonzy

No thanks Fonzy. It's happy days already without testing that one.

[Tony Thomas]

by the way,i have a nice engine called oxygen from my friend Robindu Guha,wouldn't you like to test it for ccrl??
Its private but i am sure he will pop up again , ......someday
Best
Fonzy

No thanks Fonzy. It's happy days already without testing that one.

If it was indeed a copy/paste clone, how do you explain the positive results it has towards Romi on ICC? Romi smokes buzz for her breakfast...It's possible that he just took the open source buzz added few things on his on and wanted to experiment. It isnt like he send it to everyone, he had few reliable testers like Fonzy, Lars, Oliver etc..You have to agree, he had a killer book.

[Olivier Deville]

My brother quickly came to the conclusion that the computer chess community is very fragmented due to some with big egos, no people skills, full of vindictiveness and nastiness, etc.
Due to this, he felt that it was better to stay out of the forums and in fact has pretty much lost his love of the hobby.
I'm sure he's not the only one that has become disillusioned due to the actions of such people.
Sad really that people can't respect each other and tolerate differing views to their own.

Amen to that,Graham
you dropped in at just the right moment too
by the way,i have a nice engine called oxygen from my friend Robindu Guha,wouldn't you like to test it for ccrl??Its private but i am sure he will pop up again , ......someday
Best
Fonzy

Nope,thanks,CCRL has already tested Buzz

you cannot say that without prove
now the moderators will have to remove your post
sorry

Best
Fonzy

I've seen enough evidence to make my statement,besides,I am trying to calm down the situation with a little joke Fonzy,don't get so excited....

I appreciate the effort,lets hope the evidence will not be deleted again!
I'l take a beer now and cool down
Best
Fonzy

Now that's what I am talking about

Fonzy is right, no evidence at all has been shown on this forum (or, better said, there was some, but quickly deleted).

No accusations without proofs, as we have been told. You are playing with fire, Dr. Deeb !

Olivier

[Andres Valverde]

Fonzy is right, no evidence at all has been shown on this forum (or, better said, there was some, but quickly deleted).

No accusations without proofs, as we have been told. You are playing with fire, Dr. Deeb !

Olivier

Seems that Fonzy has got proofs yet

http://www.geenvis.net/RESULT.HTM[/quote]

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

My brother quickly came to the conclusion that the computer chess community is very fragmented due to some with big egos, no people skills, full of vindictiveness and nastiness, etc.
Due to this, he felt that it was better to stay out of the forums and in fact has pretty much lost his love of the hobby.
I'm sure he's not the only one that has become disillusioned due to the actions of such people.
Sad really that people can't respect each other and tolerate differing views to their own.

Amen to that,Graham
you dropped in at just the right moment too
by the way,i have a nice engine called oxygen from my friend Robindu Guha,wouldn't you like to test it for ccrl??Its private but i am sure he will pop up again , ......someday
Best
Fonzy

Nope,thanks,CCRL has already tested Buzz

you cannot say that without prove
now the moderators will have to remove your post
sorry

Best
Fonzy

I've seen enough evidence to make my statement,besides,I am trying to calm down the situation with a little joke Fonzy,don't get so excited....

I appreciate the effort,lets hope the evidence will not be deleted again!
I'l take a beer now and cool down
Best
Fonzy

Now that's what I am talking about

Fonzy is right, no evidence at all has been shown on this forum (or, better said, there was some, but quickly deleted).

No accusations without proofs, as we have been told. You are playing with fire, Dr. Deeb !

Olivier

Calm down Oliver,I am not accusing anyone of anything,I was trying to freeze the heating generated here by making a little ironic joke....
It looks like you have lost your sense of humor Mr.Deville

[swami]

Hi Olivier,

I didn't find a big problem with the thread, for me it was borderline at first, however it would have been better had you posted some evidence.

There was a complaint about your post not having any evidence, At first, I dismissed the complaint and let your post stand.

But If other moderators feel it strongly that any *initial* post that's without evidence must be deleted, they had to do moderation as I get outvoted by 2/3, We operate by majority rule, 2/3 on deleting the entire thread. Then I would ofcourse had to be forced to agree.

What I've been told was that there was no evidence in your *initial* posting, it was just statement or some kind of announcement, I've also been told that whether the engine was proven to be a clone by some author in other forums is irrelevant(edit:because the post you had made in CCC preceded the postings from other authors in other forum) and with evidence not given, it'd be a risk for ICD/programmer if we allow members to publish such stuffs.

Formal process is like this:

If someone has no evidence (yet) at the time of starting a thread(as in your case), he should make post similar to "Engine X looks suspicious" and provide evidence later, the programmer has to get a chance to either defend/accept, other members make case, then we conclude from that. You might have been in contact with the author of the engine and might have settled it in private, but moderators do not know this.

It's simple thing to do, Olivier, you have been given a chance to post anytime with evidence, but instead you ask us to reinstate the deleted thread (where evidence was not supplied in your initial post).
Was it a misunderstanding, perhaps?

Regards.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi Olivier,

I didn't find a big problem with the thread, for me it was borderline at first, however it would have been better had you posted some evidence.

There was a complaint about your post not having any evidence, At first, I dismissed the complaint and let your post stand.

But If other moderators feel it strongly that any *initial* post that's without evidence must be deleted, they had to do moderation as I get outvoted by 2/3, We operate by majority rule, 2/3 on deleting the entire thread. Then I would ofcourse had to be forced to agree.

What I've been told was that there was no evidence in your *initial* posting, it was just statement or some kind of announcement, I've also been told that whether the engine was proven to be a clone by some author in other forums is irrelevant and that with evidence not given, it'd be a risk for ICD/programmer if we allow members to publish such stuffs.

Formal process is like this:

If someone has no evidence (yet) at the time of starting a thread(as in your case), he should make post similar to "Engine X looks suspicious" and provide evidence later, the programmer has to get a chance to either defend/accept, other members make case, then we conclude from that. You might have been in contact with the author of the engine and might have settled it in private, but moderators do not know this.

It's simple thing to do, Olivier, you have been given a chance to post anytime with evidence, but instead you ask us to reinstate the deleted thread (where evidence was not supplied in your initial post).
Was it a misunderstanding, perhaps?

Regards.

An excellent policy Swami in my opinion,fair enough for all sides

[Olivier Deville]

My brother quickly came to the conclusion that the computer chess community is very fragmented due to some with big egos, no people skills, full of vindictiveness and nastiness, etc.
Due to this, he felt that it was better to stay out of the forums and in fact has pretty much lost his love of the hobby.
I'm sure he's not the only one that has become disillusioned due to the actions of such people.
Sad really that people can't respect each other and tolerate differing views to their own.

Amen to that,Graham
you dropped in at just the right moment too
by the way,i have a nice engine called oxygen from my friend Robindu Guha,wouldn't you like to test it for ccrl??Its private but i am sure he will pop up again , ......someday
Best
Fonzy

Nope,thanks,CCRL has already tested Buzz

you cannot say that without prove
now the moderators will have to remove your post
sorry

Best
Fonzy

I've seen enough evidence to make my statement,besides,I am trying to calm down the situation with a little joke Fonzy,don't get so excited....

I appreciate the effort,lets hope the evidence will not be deleted again!
I'l take a beer now and cool down
Best
Fonzy

Now that's what I am talking about

Fonzy is right, no evidence at all has been shown on this forum (or, better said, there was some, but quickly deleted).

No accusations without proofs, as we have been told. You are playing with fire, Dr. Deeb !

Olivier

Calm down Oliver,I am not accusing anyone of anything,I was trying to freeze the heating generated here by making a little ironic joke....
It looks like you have lost your sense of humor Mr.Deville

No no Wael I got your joke, no problem with me.

I like jokes too.

I like to discuss about more serious topics as well, but there seems to be some kind of censorship here.

Olivier

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

My brother quickly came to the conclusion that the computer chess community is very fragmented due to some with big egos, no people skills, full of vindictiveness and nastiness, etc.
Due to this, he felt that it was better to stay out of the forums and in fact has pretty much lost his love of the hobby.
I'm sure he's not the only one that has become disillusioned due to the actions of such people.
Sad really that people can't respect each other and tolerate differing views to their own.

Amen to that,Graham
you dropped in at just the right moment too
by the way,i have a nice engine called oxygen from my friend Robindu Guha,wouldn't you like to test it for ccrl??Its private but i am sure he will pop up again , ......someday
Best
Fonzy

Nope,thanks,CCRL has already tested Buzz

you cannot say that without prove
now the moderators will have to remove your post
sorry

Best
Fonzy

I've seen enough evidence to make my statement,besides,I am trying to calm down the situation with a little joke Fonzy,don't get so excited....

I appreciate the effort,lets hope the evidence will not be deleted again!
I'l take a beer now and cool down
Best
Fonzy

Now that's what I am talking about

Fonzy is right, no evidence at all has been shown on this forum (or, better said, there was some, but quickly deleted).

No accusations without proofs, as we have been told. You are playing with fire, Dr. Deeb !

Olivier

Calm down Oliver,I am not accusing anyone of anything,I was trying to freeze the heating generated here by making a little ironic joke....
It looks like you have lost your sense of humor Mr.Deville

No no Wael I got your joke, no problem with me.

I like jokes too.

I like to discuss about more serious topics as well, but there seems to be some kind of censorship here.

Olivier

No problem Oliver
The moderation process has always been a delicate issue,so relax and live your life

[Olivier Deville]

Hi Olivier,

I didn't find a big problem with the thread, for me it was borderline at first, however it would have been better had you posted some evidence.

There was a complaint about your post not having any evidence, At first, I dismissed the complaint and let your post stand.

But If other moderators feel it strongly that any *initial* post that's without evidence must be deleted, they had to do moderation as I get outvoted by 2/3, We operate by majority rule, 2/3 on deleting the entire thread. Then I would ofcourse had to be forced to agree.

What I've been told was that there was no evidence in your *initial* posting, it was just statement or some kind of announcement, I've also been told that whether the engine was proven to be a clone by some author in other forums is irrelevant(edit:because the post you had made in CCC preceded the postings from other authors in other forum) and with evidence not given, it'd be a risk for ICD/programmer if we allow members to publish such stuffs.

Formal process is like this:

If someone has no evidence (yet) at the time of starting a thread(as in your case), he should make post similar to "Engine X looks suspicious" and provide evidence later, the programmer has to get a chance to either defend/accept, other members make case, then we conclude from that. You might have been in contact with the author of the engine and might have settled it in private, but moderators do not know this.

It's simple thing to do, Olivier, you have been given a chance to post anytime with evidence, but instead you ask us to reinstate the deleted thread (where evidence was not supplied in your initial post).
Was it a misunderstanding, perhaps?

Regards.

Thanks Swami for the clarification.

The only conclusion I can draw from my side is that we need a new moderation team (I hope it is still allowed to make such statements).

Olivier