ACCA PanAm kibitz rule

[bob]

But if I ever get around to it, instead of a two line kibitz, I'll have the program squirt some HTML to a web server. That way a spectator can see all the good stuff plus diagrams as needed.

I already added an undocumented option to WinBoard to achieve that. Using that option, WinBoard posts all moves immediately as they are made in a special move file. The browser of those viewing the match downloads this file with moves to update the html page with under JavaScript.

It seems something the GUI should do, not the engine. So that one has access to info from both engines on that web page.

The result you can see here. (This demo uses the moves file from a finished game; There are no games running on that server now. This is also why the moves are played so quickly. Normally the game would be replayed at 1 move/sec until the current position is reached, and after that you would follow the game in real time.)

That looks neat, except that the board has two extra files and some dumbass pieces mixed in.

[hgm]

Indeed, it can be used in all variants WinBoard supports, except those with piece drops.

When a new game starts, WinBoard overwrites the same file with the new game, after a small pause to make sure al viewers could download the previous game upto the very end. Viewers can then switch over to this new game by pressing the refresh button of their browser.

Normally the wiewer would display current board position, game history and depth/score of the last move for both engines. Plus time left on the clocks.

[swami]

I mean I can think of ways of using it, just not effectively. There are only two ways I can think of: looking at the second move in the PV to try to avoid ponder hits, and using the second move to give you a better move to search. I.e. taking the second move and giving it a bonus or a penalty. The bonus would probably work better for stronger programs (you can trust the move more), and the penalty better for weaker programs. In any case, I don't see how this information would be reliable enough at all. You would have to clear the hashtable (as old searches have uncontaminated entries). I just think it would end up weakening the program overall.

Also, different program kibitz info's differently. Wouldnt it be almost impossible to detect the kibitzing style of each program and use the info?

Hi Tony,

Are you planning to operate Romi in ACCA event next month? Since the tourney is in the weekend, should be no problem for you.

I have just talked to Jonathan, and he agreed to enter Slowchess. Though it is still single CPU. Don't know what the whole deal is with kibitzing infos, But I will make sure that Slowchess kibitzes analysis lines alright. Btw, you remember the engine games we challenged at ICC prior to the last world online champs? Could you tell me whether TwistedLogic kibitzed necessary infos at the time?

[Tony Thomas]

I mean I can think of ways of using it, just not effectively. There are only two ways I can think of: looking at the second move in the PV to try to avoid ponder hits, and using the second move to give you a better move to search. I.e. taking the second move and giving it a bonus or a penalty. The bonus would probably work better for stronger programs (you can trust the move more), and the penalty better for weaker programs. In any case, I don't see how this information would be reliable enough at all. You would have to clear the hashtable (as old searches have uncontaminated entries). I just think it would end up weakening the program overall.

Also, different program kibitz info's differently. Wouldnt it be almost impossible to detect the kibitzing style of each program and use the info?

Hi Tony,

Are you planning to operate Romi in ACCA event next month? Since the tourney is in the weekend, should be no problem for you.

I have just talked to Jonathan, and he agreed to enter Slowchess. Though it is still single CPU. Don't know what the whole deal is with kibitzing infos, But I will make sure that Slowchess kibitzes analysis lines alright. Btw, you remember the engine games we challenged at ICC prior to the last world online champs? Could you tell me whether TwistedLogic kibitzed necessary infos at the time?

I do not remember. I wish I could run Romi for the tournament but I do not have a reliable computer. The one that I have over heats quite often and shuts down if I run programs that uses CPU intensive.

[BubbaTough]

I do not remember. I wish I could run Romi for the tournament but I do not have a reliable computer. The one that I have over heats quite often and shuts down if I run programs that uses CPU intensive.

If you want me to, I can host Romi on 2.33 Intel Core 2 duo. As long as someone else sets up the ICC account.

-Sam

[Michael Sherwin]

I do not remember. I wish I could run Romi for the tournament but I do not have a reliable computer. The one that I have over heats quite often and shuts down if I run programs that uses CPU intensive.

If you want me to, I can host Romi on 2.33 Intel Core 2 duo. As long as someone else sets up the ICC account.

-Sam

If Tony does not want his RomiChess account used then I will open one.

Also I am very close to having a new RomiChess ready.

[BubbaTough]

If Tony does not want his RomiChess account used then I will open one.

Also I am very close to having a new RomiChess ready.

OK, cool. Just make sure you give me account info, program, instructions, whatever a couple days before the tourney so I can do a test run. If you want to send me updates of program or learning file an hour the tourney before that is fine as long as I have something tested to fall back on.

-Sam

[Michael Sherwin]

If Tony does not want his RomiChess account used then I will open one.

Also I am very close to having a new RomiChess ready.

OK, cool. Just make sure you give me account info, program, instructions, whatever a couple days before the tourney so I can do a test run. If you want to send me updates of program or learning file an hour the tourney before that is fine as long as I have something tested to fall back on.

-Sam

Thanks,

I see that it is on Nov 8th. That should give me enough time!

[Tony Thomas]

If Tony does not want his RomiChess account used then I will open one.

Also I am very close to having a new RomiChess ready.

OK, cool. Just make sure you give me account info, program, instructions, whatever a couple days before the tourney so I can do a test run. If you want to send me updates of program or learning file an hour the tourney before that is fine as long as I have something tested to fall back on.

-Sam

Thanks,

I see that it is on Nov 8th. That should give me enough time!

Mike, I do not have a problem with someone else using the Romi account provided that it is someone that I have heard of. I would gladly send you the password..Let's see if I can find a decent computer before the tournament.. It looks like Ted will be in Alabama, and he is taking his Q6700, I guess he could operate Romi as well. Beats a core 2 anyday, right?

[AdminX]

If Tony does not want his RomiChess account used then I will open one.

Also I am very close to having a new RomiChess ready.

OK, cool. Just make sure you give me account info, program, instructions, whatever a couple days before the tourney so I can do a test run. If you want to send me updates of program or learning file an hour the tourney before that is fine as long as I have something tested to fall back on.

-Sam

Thanks,

I see that it is on Nov 8th. That should give me enough time!

Mike, I do not have a problem with someone else using the Romi account provided that it is someone that I have heard of. I would gladly send you the password..Let's see if I can find a decent computer before the tournament.. It looks like Ted will be in Alabama, and he is taking his Q6700, I guess he could operate Romi as well. Beats a core 2 anyday, right?

Okay, here is the deal. I had only planned on being a spectator and offered my Q6700 because I thought Tony was going to be there. I have no problem operating RomiChess, however you should know in advance that I will arrive early on the morning of November 8th. I should get there at about 6 AM, which should be more than enough time to setup if needed. My room for that night has already been booked, so no problem there as well.

Now if you decide that you want me to operate RomiChess, then I would like for someone to walk me thru in advance the setup that will be needed, as this will be my 1st time doing something like this ever. Other than that, I think I can download and install any software needed in advance.

Lastly I have a few questions. Will there be a wireless setup there or will I need to bring a CAT 5 cable? Also how will security be handled? Meaning will I need to pack my Computer up at the end of the day and then bring it back to finish the event or can I leave it there at the site? Either way it really does not matter to me, I just want to know in advance.