Fritz 12 Analysis Request

[Sylwy]

Why should I buy such a crap ?

Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

Hi Miky !

You may buy nothing from ChessBase !
Why all this anti-ChessBase agitation ?
A bug ? No problem ! It's only a software piece not a God particle !
I like -for example-the design of all ChessBase&Shredder products !
And.....I never criticized Arena for the lack of inspiration !

ChessBase infected regards,
Silvian

[Dr. Axel Schumacher]

because I want to know if they listen to their customers before releasing version 12 with bugs known since version 6.

But you as a "serious" tester I am sure you can tell us, but not saying anything is telling us more than you think.

You see even people who have the program won't tell you at least one of those bugs has been fixed. Guess why. Because it hasn't been fixed.

Why should I buy such a crap ?

Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com

Actually, I found out that Fritz 12 is not even able to cook coffee. What a crap indeed. I pay over 30€ and this stupid thing cannot make me a simple coffee (nor cappuchino!). I complained to Chessbase but did not get any reasonable answer when this serious bug will be fixed.
I also found a serious bug when playing on Playchess; I lost several games in a row in the main playing room. As I'm a superb player this must be a bug of the Chessbase GUI. A good GUI should see that I'm the superior player and award the win to me. When I told the sysop what fu§$$&!g as§$"le he is, because he doesn't listen to me, he simply ignored me. Never before I was insulted like that. What a crap.

Btw. when linking Arena to my coffee machine; do I have to use a serial cable or USB?

Cheers,
A.

[Christopher Conkie]

Btw. when linking Arena to my coffee machine; do I have to use a serial cable or USB?

USB, but it only works with certain coffee machines.

[El Gringo]

Btw. when linking Arena to my coffee machine; do I have to use a serial cable or USB?

USB, but it only works with certain coffee machines.

Indeed, my Phillips Senseo does not have usb 2.0, a pitty
Maybe there is a new configuration file needed for Arena ?

Best
Johan

[Christopher Conkie]

Btw. when linking Arena to my coffee machine; do I have to use a serial cable or USB?

USB, but it only works with certain coffee machines.

Indeed, my Phillips Senseo does not have usb 2.0, a pitty
Maybe there is a new configuration file needed for Arena ?

Best
Johan

You must be thinking of the Winboard Coffee Machine adapter configuration file. I can lend you my 500 page book on this subject if you like Johan?



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Christopher

[lonola]

These Arena people .....

[Christopher Conkie]

These Arena people .....

I'll get back to on that. Right now I'm having a coffee.....



Christopher

[lmader]

For reference, here is the Deep Fritz 11 analysis on my dual core laptop with 2.3 GB of hash (BTW, I have noticed that going above 2GB hash makes a huge improvement for Fritz 11):

New game
2r1r3/pp2bp1k/4qBp1/n2pPpQp/3P4/4R3/P1PN1PPP/1R4K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz 11:

1.c3 a6 2.g3 Kg8 3.Kg2 b5 4.h3 Nc4 5.Nxc4 Rxc4 6.Bxe7
= (0.25) Depth: 10/25 00:00:00 429kN
1.c3 Bf8 2.Qh4 Kg8 3.Qf4 Qd7 4.Rg3 Nc4 5.Nxc4 Rxc4 6.h3 Be7
+/= (0.32) Depth: 11/34 00:00:00 1332kN
1.c3 Bf8 2.Qg3 Bh6 3.f4 Bg7 4.Bxg7 Kxg7 5.Qg5 b6 6.Rg3 Kh7 7.Rh3
= (0.18) Depth: 12/28 00:00:01 1949kN
1.c3 Bf8 2.Qg3 Bh6 3.f4 Bg7 4.Bxg7 Kxg7 5.Qg5 b6 6.Rg3 Kg8 7.Rh3 Nc4 8.Nxc4
= (0.22) Depth: 13/28 00:00:01 3254kN
1.c3 Bf8 2.Qg3 Qd7 3.f4 Bg7 4.Bxg7 Kxg7 5.Qh4 Kg8 6.Qg5 Re6 7.Rg3 Rec6 8.Rb5
= (0.05) Depth: 14/32 00:00:02 6398kN
1.Rh3 Bf8 2.Nb3 Bh6 3.Qg3 Nxb3 4.Qxb3 b6 5.c3 Bg7 6.Bg5 Rc7 7.Qb5 Rc4 8.Re1
= (0.09) Depth: 14/32 00:00:03 9604kN
1.Rh3 Bf8 2.Nb3 Bh6 3.Qg3 Nxb3 4.Qxb3 Qb6 5.Qxb6 axb6 6.c3 Ra8 7.Rxb6 Rxa2 8.g3 Rb8 9.Kg2
= (0.11) Depth: 15/30 00:00:04 12406kN
1.Rh3 Bf8 2.Nb3 Bh6 3.Qg3 Nxb3 4.Qxb3 b6 5.Qa4 Rc7 6.c3 Bg7 7.Bg5 Bh6 8.Bxh6 Kxh6 9.Qb5 Kg7 10.Rg3
= (0.03) Depth: 16/31 00:00:07 20210kN
1.Rh3 Bf8 2.Nb3 Bh6 3.Qg3 Nxb3 4.Qxb3 b6 5.Qa4 Rc7 6.c3 Bg7 7.Bg5 Bh6 8.Bxh6 Kxh6 9.f4 Kg7 10.Rg3
= (0.01) Depth: 17/34 00:00:13 40118kN
1.Rh3 Bf8 2.Nb3 Bh6 3.Qg3 Nxb3 4.Qxb3 Bg7 5.Bxg7 Kxg7 6.f4 Re7 7.Rg3 Rec7 8.c3 b6 9.Qb4 h4 10.Rh3 Qe7
= (0.04) Depth: 18/36 00:00:25 79957kN
1.Rh3 Bf8 2.f4 Bh6 3.Nf3 Bxg5 4.Nxg5+ Kg8 5.Nxe6 fxe6 6.c3 b6 7.Rd3 Nc4 8.Kf2 Rc7 9.Kg3 Kf7 10.h3
= (0.10) Depth: 19/39 00:00:51 166mN
1.Rh3 Bf8 2.f4 Bh6 3.Nf3 Bxg5 4.Nxg5+ Kg8 5.Nxe6 fxe6 6.Rg3 Rxc2 7.Rxg6+ Kh7 8.Rg5 Kh6 9.Bg7+ Kh7 10.Bf6
= (0.00) Depth: 20/37 00:01:15 249mN

[lmader]

Oh, at 6:30 Fritz 11 sees that Rh3 is winning.


1.Rh3 Bf8 2.f4 Bh6 3.Nf3 Bxg5 4.Nxg5+ Kg8 5.Nxe6 fxe6 6.Rg3 Rxc2 7.Rxg6+ Kh7 8.Rg5 Kh6 9.Bg7+ Kh7 10.Bf6
= (0.00) Depth: 20/37 00:01:15 249mN
1.Rh3 Kg8 2.Rxh5 Bxf6 3.exf6 Qxf6 4.Qxf6 gxh5 5.Nf3 Rc6 6.Qxf5 Kg7 7.Qg5+ Rg6 8.Qxd5 b6 9.Qxh5 Nc6 10.d5
+- (8.82) Depth: 21/43 00:06:30 1260mN

[solis]

I have played 20 games between Fritz 12 and Strelka 3.
Strelka won 10.5- 9.5 with 5 wins 4 loses and 11 draws.I have used 2 computers for the games.Since both engines are single core using dual core and quad did not make any difference.
I have personally expected much more from new Fritz.Looks like all the work went to make new chess playing interface instead to make stronger engine.And I am not sure that I am ready to use that interface yet.
And at the time when most of the engines are made for MP use CB is still coming with 1 CPU engines.
At least MP engine one can use on different computers but one is stuck with 1 CPU engine.
And there is the question is it a fair deal to play one engine on 1 core and the other on 2 or 4 cores.Yes,Rybka SP can beat a lot of engines using MP computers but that can not be said about other chess programs.
Since I am collecting chess programs buying this programs is OK but for people who expect more from new chess programs this will be dilemma to buy it or not.I would say if you are going to spend money wait either for Deep Fritz 12 and reviews or wait for Rybka 4 that should be out before the end of the year.Even Hiarcs 13 should be OK.
Maybe some other people who also got Fritz 12 by now can make their comments about what they think about the engine and interface to.