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[bob]

Then Zach thinks BB's claims that his analysis was derived without a tool such as IDA is ridiculous.

No, you have completely misunderstood what I said.

You wrote it. What did you mean then?

you can't understand this:

It is very impressive, but IMO the most impressive part about it is that BB says he did this without IDA or any other tool, but just by using the output of objdump. Pretty ridiculous.

Hint:

ridiculous: amazing. astounding. remarkable. Etc.

not

ridiculous: bullshit. nonsense. impossible. bogus. Etc.

I had absolutely no problem understanding what he meant without even a second's worth of thought. Note the key words "very impressive". as opposed "what a crock" or whatever.

No doubt one of the virtues of working in an environment with students: you stay up to speed in colloquialisms.

No, this is not a colloquialism, the key word "ridiculous" simply follows the statement "it is very impressive." I don't think one would use those words if he thought the idea was bogus. He could have used a dozen different words there and the general "feeling" would remain the same, because of those first 4 words. IMHO of course.

[BTO7]

Then Zach thinks BB's claims that his analysis was derived without a tool such as IDA is ridiculous.

No, you have completely misunderstood what I said.

You wrote it. What did you mean then?

you can't understand this:

It is very impressive, but IMO the most impressive part about it is that BB says he did this without IDA or any other tool, but just by using the output of objdump. Pretty ridiculous.

Hint:

ridiculous: amazing. astounding. remarkable. Etc.

not

ridiculous: bullshit. nonsense. impossible. bogus. Etc.

I had absolutely no problem understanding what he meant without even a second's worth of thought. Note the key words "very impressive". as opposed "what a crock" or whatever.

No doubt one of the virtues of working in an environment with students: you stay up to speed in colloquialisms.

No, this is not a colloquialism, the key word "ridiculous" simply follows the statement "it is very impressive." I don't think one would use those words if he thought the idea was bogus. He could have used a dozen different words there and the general "feeling" would remain the same, because of those first 4 words. IMHO of course.

I see that clearly too bob

BT

[Albert Silver]

Then Zach thinks BB's claims that his analysis was derived without a tool such as IDA is ridiculous.

No, you have completely misunderstood what I said.

You wrote it. What did you mean then?

you can't understand this:

It is very impressive, but IMO the most impressive part about it is that BB says he did this without IDA or any other tool, but just by using the output of objdump. Pretty ridiculous.

Hint:

ridiculous: amazing. astounding. remarkable. Etc.

not

ridiculous: bullshit. nonsense. impossible. bogus. Etc.

I had absolutely no problem understanding what he meant without even a second's worth of thought. Note the key words "very impressive". as opposed "what a crock" or whatever.

No doubt one of the virtues of working in an environment with students: you stay up to speed in colloquialisms.

No, this is not a colloquialism, the key word "ridiculous" simply follows the statement "it is very impressive." I don't think one would use those words if he thought the idea was bogus. He could have used a dozen different words there and the general "feeling" would remain the same, because of those first 4 words. IMHO of course.

It is very impressive that you claim to have single-handedly brought peace to the world. Pretty ridiculous.

Does ridiculous above mean amazing, or does it mean absurd?

[Robert Flesher]

Then Zach thinks BB's claims that his analysis was derived without a tool such as IDA is ridiculous.

No, you have completely misunderstood what I said.

You wrote it. What did you mean then?

you can't understand this:

It is very impressive, but IMO the most impressive part about it is that BB says he did this without IDA or any other tool, but just by using the output of objdump. Pretty ridiculous.

Hint:

ridiculous: amazing. astounding. remarkable. Etc.

not

ridiculous: bullshit. nonsense. impossible. bogus. Etc.

I had absolutely no problem understanding what he meant without even a second's worth of thought. Note the key words "very impressive". as opposed "what a crock" or whatever.

No doubt one of the virtues of working in an environment with students: you stay up to speed in colloquialisms.

No, this is not a colloquialism, the key word "ridiculous" simply follows the statement "it is very impressive." I don't think one would use those words if he thought the idea was bogus. He could have used a dozen different words there and the general "feeling" would remain the same, because of those first 4 words. IMHO of course.

It is very impressive that you claim to have single-handedly brought peace to the world. Pretty ridiculous.

Does ridiculous above mean amazing, or does it mean absurd?

Albert, no offense, but right now you remind me of the boxer who is beat to a pulp, but refused to stay down. Sooner or later you will end up punch drunk. I am amused you seem to think that people are clouding the issue with FACTS. But, it is what it is.

[Christopher Conkie]

Albert, no offense, but right now you remind me of the boxer who is beat to a pulp, but refused to stay down. Sooner or later you will end up punch drunk. I am amused you seem to think that people are clouding the issue with FACTS. But, it is what it is.

Got a name for the author of Ippolit yet?

Yes or No will do.

[bob]

Then Zach thinks BB's claims that his analysis was derived without a tool such as IDA is ridiculous.

No, you have completely misunderstood what I said.

You wrote it. What did you mean then?

you can't understand this:

It is very impressive, but IMO the most impressive part about it is that BB says he did this without IDA or any other tool, but just by using the output of objdump. Pretty ridiculous.

Hint:

ridiculous: amazing. astounding. remarkable. Etc.

not

ridiculous: bullshit. nonsense. impossible. bogus. Etc.

I had absolutely no problem understanding what he meant without even a second's worth of thought. Note the key words "very impressive". as opposed "what a crock" or whatever.

No doubt one of the virtues of working in an environment with students: you stay up to speed in colloquialisms.

No, this is not a colloquialism, the key word "ridiculous" simply follows the statement "it is very impressive." I don't think one would use those words if he thought the idea was bogus. He could have used a dozen different words there and the general "feeling" would remain the same, because of those first 4 words. IMHO of course.

It is very impressive that you claim to have single-handedly brought peace to the world. Pretty ridiculous.

Does ridiculous above mean amazing, or does it mean absurd?

In context, "absurd". "claim to have single-handedly ..." If you leave out that part, then "amazing".

[bob]

Albert, no offense, but right now you remind me of the boxer who is beat to a pulp, but refused to stay down. Sooner or later you will end up punch drunk. I am amused you seem to think that people are clouding the issue with FACTS. But, it is what it is.

Got a name for the author of Ippolit yet?

Yes or No will do.

Who needs it? I gave a nephew a chess challenger 2300 or whatever it was (I had it laying around unused, brown case, pressure-sensitive squares, no speech, was rated 2305 or something like that in the old computer chess rating reports). He never asked me "who wrote the program in this thing" (The spracklens if he had asked.) He didn't care, the thing played chess and that was what he wanted.

[Sven]

Then Zach thinks BB's claims that his analysis was derived without a tool such as IDA is ridiculous.

No, you have completely misunderstood what I said.

You wrote it. What did you mean then?

you can't understand this:

It is very impressive, but IMO the most impressive part about it is that BB says he did this without IDA or any other tool, but just by using the output of objdump. Pretty ridiculous.

Hint:

ridiculous: amazing. astounding. remarkable. Etc.

not

ridiculous: bullshit. nonsense. impossible. bogus. Etc.

I had absolutely no problem understanding what he meant without even a second's worth of thought. Note the key words "very impressive". as opposed "what a crock" or whatever.

"ridiculous" @ Merriam-Webster
So if Zach meant something different then it was "remarkable" by Bob to read that between the lines.

Maybe my English is not sufficient for that.

Btw, "ridiculous" is a good word IMO to comment the claim that R3 analysis had been done solely based on several 100.000 lines of pure assembler code (which would be the output of low level tools like "objdump", or "dumpbin /disasm", or the like), without having a symbol table and without a GUI-based disassembling tool like IDA. "Chapeau" if that has indeed been done that way - but I just don't believe it. I would not exclude that someone has something to hide here, although I don't know who, what, and why. I also do not understand why this "no special tool used" has been emphasized since a fully working IDA version can be downloaded for free.

Note that I do not say anything about the contents of that paper here, simply because I watched the world cup games and did not read most of the paper yet. Just started ...

Sven

[Albert Silver]

Then Zach thinks BB's claims that his analysis was derived without a tool such as IDA is ridiculous.

No, you have completely misunderstood what I said.

You wrote it. What did you mean then?

you can't understand this:

It is very impressive, but IMO the most impressive part about it is that BB says he did this without IDA or any other tool, but just by using the output of objdump. Pretty ridiculous.

Hint:

ridiculous: amazing. astounding. remarkable. Etc.

not

ridiculous: bullshit. nonsense. impossible. bogus. Etc.

I had absolutely no problem understanding what he meant without even a second's worth of thought. Note the key words "very impressive". as opposed "what a crock" or whatever.

No doubt one of the virtues of working in an environment with students: you stay up to speed in colloquialisms.

No, this is not a colloquialism, the key word "ridiculous" simply follows the statement "it is very impressive." I don't think one would use those words if he thought the idea was bogus. He could have used a dozen different words there and the general "feeling" would remain the same, because of those first 4 words. IMHO of course.

It is very impressive that you claim to have single-handedly brought peace to the world. Pretty ridiculous.

Does ridiculous above mean amazing, or does it mean absurd?

In context, "absurd". "claim to have single-handedly ..." If you leave out that part, then "amazing".

How about:

It is very impressive that you say you brought peace to the world. Pretty ridiculous.

It all depends on how unlikely the feat is. Zach's statement is quite borderline unless you think BB's claim is commonplace, which then leaves 'pretty ridiculous' completely open to interpretation.

And as an aside the use of ridiculous to mean "amazing" *is* a colloquialism.

[Steve B]

Who needs it? I gave a nephew a chess challenger 2300 or whatever it was (I had it laying around unused, brown case, pressure-sensitive squares, no speech, was rated 2305 or something like that in the old computer chess rating reports). He never asked me "who wrote the program in this thing" (The spracklens if he had asked.) He didn't care, the thing played chess and that was what he wanted.

OK that does it Bob
let me get this straight
you actually gave away what was probably a Fidelity Designer Mach III without even offering it to me?
was this while we moderated here?

thats it..im through here
i opening up my own forum effective immediately
i dont need this headache


great call last term Bob
its looking like you were right all along
Well Done Regards
Steve