Corrupt CCRL, CEGT, and IPON

[hgm]

Who else better to teach us about morals than a code thief, eh?

[kranium]

Who else better to teach us about morals than a code thief, eh?

CCC good 'ole' boy rule #1:
if you don't like someone's post, and have difficulty with responding intelligently...
ridicule, attack, and call them names...

wait...no, i misspoke, that's kindergarten!
sorry, sometimes hard to tell the difference when i'm logged in here


Harm-
i'm confident i could help you with your maturity level as well...
just PM me, i'll do what i can!

[hgm]

Ah, so it is OK for you to brand other people or entire groups of people 'corrupt', but if someone happens to use the word 'thief' in a general context, you feel addressed and start whining?

And you think you can help people with their maturity level? Well thanks for your offer, but I think I will pass on it.

[kranium]

Who else better to teach us about morals than a code thief, eh?

PS-
yes, i was pretty good, but FYI (and for the public record):
i do not aspire to be # 1!

i saw the writing on the wall years ago, and therefore have released only open-source since that time.

although i am quite resourceful and capable, i realize there's very little chance i could ever reach #1, due to the fantastic levels obtained by Vas R., and Robert H.

please note:
i'm considering the sheer # of people deceived here, as well as the vast amounts of money gleaned (both of which are still ongoing as we speak!)
(they seem to have the CCRL, CEGT, IPON, and most everyone else simply eating out of their hands)

the bar has simply been set way too high...

Norm

[h1a8]

Who else better to teach us about morals than a code thief, eh?

How is making some changes to an existing open source code while releasing it as a free engine makes one a code thief?

There is no difference between downloading Ippolit/Robbolito and making regular copies of it.

Now if Norman decided to sell it then it is questionable. But it's free for all.

[kranium]

For what it's worth, although I strongly disagree with your characterization of these three fine groups as "corrupt", I do agree that one (and only one) Ivanhoe does deserve to be included on the rating lists.

Larry-

as co-author of Rybka3, you benefited from the fact that CCRL, CEGT, IPON, (et al.) banned Ippolit.

in addition you (and Don) were extremely active and vocal in the frenzied CCC anti-Ippolit agenda of the last years...
truthfully, i believe you're even (at least partially) entitled to take some credit for this fact.

that being said:

even though Komodo will now also (very likely) benefit from the current abysmal and corrupt situation which has been perpetrated upon the masses...
i do greatly appreciate the fact that you now seem to be recognizing Ippolit as a legitimate effort,
and are advocating that IvanHoe be tested by the aforementioned testing groups.

for that i am grateful

[Adam Hair]

Who else better to teach us about morals than a code thief, eh?

How is making some changes to an existing open source code while releasing it as a free engine makes one a code thief?

There is no difference between downloading Ippolit/Robbolito and making regular copies of it.

Now if Norman decided to sell it then it is questionable. But it's free for all.

I believe Harm is refering to two incidences. First, Norman tried to sell a Toga derivative called xyClops. He did apologize and refunded the money.

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ht=xyclops
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ht=xyclops
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ht=xyclops

If this was the only incidence, everything would probably be fine.

However, the next year Norman presented Crimson,a closed source engine, as his own work. Turns out that the base code was the open source engine Viper, the work of Tord Romstad.

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... rman+viper

Since these events, he has done nothing wrong.

[hgm]

Since these events, he has done nothing wrong.

Correction: since these events he has not been caught here stealing any code. He still thinks nothing of slandering people, in an attempt to bully them serving his cause, though... Some would consider that wrong!

[kranium]

Since these events, he has done nothing wrong.

Correction: since these events he has not been caught here stealing any code. He still thinks nothing of slandering people, in an attempt to bully them serving his cause, though... Some would consider that wrong!

what i've posted is the truth, if not please refute it.
?

[kranium]

Who else better to teach us about morals than a code thief, eh?

How is making some changes to an existing open source code while releasing it as a free engine makes one a code thief?

There is no difference between downloading Ippolit/Robbolito and making regular copies of it.

Now if Norman decided to sell it then it is questionable. But it's free for all.

I believe Harm is refering to two incidences. First, Norman tried to sell a Toga derivative called xyClops. He did apologize and refunded the money.

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ht=xyclops
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ht=xyclops
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ht=xyclops

If this was the only incidence, everything would probably be fine.

However, the next year Norman presented Crimson,a closed source engine, as his own work. Turns out that the base code was the open source engine Viper, the work of Tord Romstad.

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... rman+viper

Since these events, he has done nothing wrong.

seems entirely typical you would attempt to turn this into a character asassination, but ok,
i realize you have no other option...

yes...and both times immediately stopped when questions arose (one or two 'strings' presented), and moved on...
i did the right thing each time, and am not ashamed.
thanks for digging up these old links to illustrate that fact so succinctly.

Vas and Robert H.?
aren't you and the CCRL still testing/promoting these engines Adam?
(despite boatloads of evidence of gross GPL plagiarism)

that's what this thread is about...

perhaps you guys should do the right thing as well...?
(no sorry, that's right i forgot...you answer to nobody!)