Houdini 3

[FriedmannC]

Indeed, it's true! Unfortunately I don't see this kind of match to be played in the near future unless someone who is a chess computer addict and has a large sum of money, comes up with such an initiative. I doubt the programmers would reject to compete with their engines, if they received some serious money. But nowadays, with this economical crisis that keeps haunting us, it's almost impossible. All the best!

[lkaufman]

Hi Robert,

Don't forget to dedicate some resources for testing at long time controls too as some people here are implying Houdini 1.5 is stronger than version 2 at the regular OTB time control (40 moves in 120 minutes).

Best regards

Mel, some of the most vocal of the "some people here" have never actually tested Houdini 2 . If you have any doubts about Houdini 2 at long TC, check the neighboring thread, or the very interesting matches of various engines against Deep Junior 13. Houdini 2 scores about 10% better than its closest competitors.

As for Houdini 3, it will do quite well at long TC - some search algorithm improvements will have an increasing effect with higher search depths.

Robert

The first test you cite does not have either Komodo or Houdini 1.5, so it doesn't tell us anything about whether Houdini 2 scales as well as either of those two engines. Comparing to Critter and Ivanhoe just confirms my contention that neither of these scale any better than Houdini as they all have basically the Ippo search, with various tweaks. The second citing talks about MP, which is another topic than scaling.

[Robert Flesher]

Will be a Linux version?

Ignacio, a Linux version probably not, but you can expect a Houdini 3 release for Android.

Robert

iOS?

[Houdini]

Will be a Linux version?

Ignacio, a Linux version probably not, but you can expect a Houdini 3 release for Android.

Robert

iOS?

Less likely, but not impossible.

Robert

[rvida]

Hi Robert,

Don't forget to dedicate some resources for testing at long time controls too as some people here are implying Houdini 1.5 is stronger than version 2 at the regular OTB time control (40 moves in 120 minutes).

Best regards

Mel, some of the most vocal of the "some people here" have never actually tested Houdini 2 . If you have any doubts about Houdini 2 at long TC, check the neighboring thread, or the very interesting matches of various engines against Deep Junior 13. Houdini 2 scores about 10% better than its closest competitors.

As for Houdini 3, it will do quite well at long TC - some search algorithm improvements will have an increasing effect with higher search depths.

Robert

The first test you cite does not have either Komodo or Houdini 1.5, so it doesn't tell us anything about whether Houdini 2 scales as well as either of those two engines.

Of course, Komodo is the best scaling program out there. It is absolutely unthinkable that it scales as well as anything else, just has some problems with fast TC.

Comparing to Critter and Ivanhoe just confirms my contention that neither of these scale any better than Houdini as they all have basically the Ippo search, with various tweaks.

Komodo has basically Ippo search too. (alpha-beta + null-move + IID + aggressive lmr)
Edit: ...with various tweaks of course

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi Robert,

Don't forget to dedicate some resources for testing at long time controls too as some people here are implying Houdini 1.5 is stronger than version 2 at the regular OTB time control (40 moves in 120 minutes).

Best regards

Mel, some of the most vocal of the "some people here" have never actually tested Houdini 2 . If you have any doubts about Houdini 2 at long TC, check the neighboring thread, or the very interesting matches of various engines against Deep Junior 13. Houdini 2 scores about 10% better than its closest competitors.

As for Houdini 3, it will do quite well at long TC - some search algorithm improvements will have an increasing effect with higher search depths.

Robert

The first test you cite does not have either Komodo or Houdini 1.5, so it doesn't tell us anything about whether Houdini 2 scales as well as either of those two engines.

Of course, Komodo is the best scaling program out there. It is absolutely unthinkable that it scales as well as anything else, just has some problems with fast TC.

Comparing to Critter and Ivanhoe just confirms my contention that neither of these scale any better than Houdini as they all have basically the Ippo search, with various tweaks.

Komodo has basically Ippo search too. (alpha-beta + null-move + IID + aggressive lmr)
Edit: ...with various tweaks of course

Outstanding

[mcostalba]

For your information, the Houdini 3 release is planned for September 2012.
See the Houdini Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Houdini-C ... 0926948947 to find the current progress.

Cheers,
Robert

Congratulations for the +25 ELO upon last release: I am struggling to even get +5 ELO (although I have access to Critter sources that Richard was very kind to send me) so I understand very well what it takes to increase an already top engine.

On a funny side note I see that Larry Kaufmann was able to make Richard to get angry, it is not an easy result, I think he can be already satisfied with this and just leave

[geots]

Hi Robert,

Don't forget to dedicate some resources for testing at long time controls too as some people here are implying Houdini 1.5 is stronger than version 2 at the regular OTB time control (40 moves in 120 minutes).

Best regards

Mel, some of the most vocal of the "some people here" have never actually tested Houdini 2 . If you have any doubts about Houdini 2 at long TC, check the neighboring thread, or the very interesting matches of various engines against Deep Junior 13. Houdini 2 scores about 10% better than its closest competitors.

As for Houdini 3, it will do quite well at long TC - some search algorithm improvements will have an increasing effect with higher search depths.

Robert

The first test you cite does not have either Komodo or Houdini 1.5, so it doesn't tell us anything about whether Houdini 2 scales as well as either of those two engines.

Of course, Komodo is the best scaling program out there. It is absolutely unthinkable that it scales as well as anything else, just has some problems with fast TC.

Comparing to Critter and Ivanhoe just confirms my contention that neither of these scale any better than Houdini as they all have basically the Ippo search, with various tweaks.

Komodo has basically Ippo search too. (alpha-beta + null-move + IID + aggressive lmr)
Edit: ...with various tweaks of course

Outstanding

If talk won matches, Komodo would be unbeatable.

[beram]

For your information, the Houdini 3 release is planned for September 2012.
See the Houdini Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Houdini-C ... 0926948947 to find the current progress.

Cheers,
Robert

Congratulations for the +25 ELO upon last release: I am struggling to even get +5 ELO (although I have access to Critter sources that Richard was very kind to send me) so I understand very well what it takes to increase an already top engine.

On a funny side note I see that Larry Kaufmann was able to make Richard to get angry, it is not an easy result, I think he can be already satisfied with this and just leave

Very nice answer of you Marco. It should be an example for those who are often seen here, bragging for being so good on infinite timecontrols.

grts Bram

[Uri Blass]

Hi Robert,

Don't forget to dedicate some resources for testing at long time controls too as some people here are implying Houdini 1.5 is stronger than version 2 at the regular OTB time control (40 moves in 120 minutes).

Best regards

Mel, some of the most vocal of the "some people here" have never actually tested Houdini 2 . If you have any doubts about Houdini 2 at long TC, check the neighboring thread, or the very interesting matches of various engines against Deep Junior 13. Houdini 2 scores about 10% better than its closest competitors.

As for Houdini 3, it will do quite well at long TC - some search algorithm improvements will have an increasing effect with higher search depths.

Robert

The first test you cite does not have either Komodo or Houdini 1.5, so it doesn't tell us anything about whether Houdini 2 scales as well as either of those two engines. Comparing to Critter and Ivanhoe just confirms my contention that neither of these scale any better than Houdini as they all have basically the Ippo search, with various tweaks. The second citing talks about MP, which is another topic than scaling.

I think that only one tweak(better order of moves) can help a program to scale better.

I think that the orign of the program is not relevant for the question which program scale better.