This is tougher for me than having a pawn or 2 spare.Laskos wrote:lkaufman wrote: 7. Material seems to help humans more than moves, when comparing different handicaps with similar engine evals.These two reasonable statements lead me to consider this hilarious handicap against a 2500-2600 GM:lkaufman wrote:We want to measure the relative strength of the players at something resembling the game in question.
[d]rnbq1bnr/pppppppp/8/4k3/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQ - 0 1
It was tried against a 2200 FM, and human lost. The total score of "hilarious positional handicaps vs FM" was 3.5/4 for Komodo, so the next step would be to try them against a GM. Humans do indeed feel more comfortable with more material rather than with huge positional advantage against engines. This particular position results in 3-4 tempi and a pawn down for Komodo, and would be a match for a 2500-2600 GM. If GM doesn't go for pawn, he will have to build up a huge positional advantage, which, it seems, more a stronger player thing, and human against Komodo can hardly do it.
Played 2 games with 10' + 10'' for me vs 2' + 2'' for Komodo standard and got only half a point.
Of course, white has better position in both games, but you need time.
Again, 1.e4 is best, it is best in all positions, legal or illegal, strting or otherwise.
[pgn][Event "Blitz 2m+2s"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2016.08.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Lyudmil Tsvetkov, owner"]
[Black "Komodo 10.1 64-bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbq1bnr/pppppppp/8/4k3/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQ - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "78"]
[EventDate "2016.??.??"]
[TimeControl "120+2"]
{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. e4 {0} c6 {2.69/18 3} 2. d4+ {6} Kd6 {3.28/17 2} 3. Bf4+ {
14} e5 {2.66/17 2} 4. Bxe5+ {2} Ke7 {2.33/19 6} 5. Bg3 {52} d6 {2.20/20 10} 6.
c3 {26} Ke8 {2.07/20 6} 7. f4 {6} h5 {1.98/19 5} 8. Nf3 {10} h4 {1.82/20 7} 9.
Bf2 {3} Be7 {1.76/20 6} 10. Bd3 {4} h3 {1.86/19 9} 11. g3 {9} Nf6 {1.89/21 8}
12. O-O {22} Ng4 {1.78/19 6} 13. Nbd2 {5} Nd7 {1.80/20 9} 14. Qe2 {7} g6 {1.91/
20 13} 15. e5 {32} dxe5 {2.00/19 4} 16. fxe5 {16} Nb6 {1.55/18 1} 17. Ne4 {13}
Kf8 {1.55/18 3} 18. Be1 {61} Kg8 {1.67/19 7} 19. Bd2 {6} Rh5 {2.00/19 4} 20.
Rae1 {60} Be6 {2.14/18 7} 21. b3 {20} Nd7 {2.13/18 8} 22. Bc4 {30} Nf8 {2.91/
19 10} 23. Rd1 {117} Bf5 {2.00/18 4} 24. Nf2 {28} Qd7 {1.40/19 5} 25. Nxg4 {16}
Bxg4 {1.22/17 1} 26. Qe3 {20} Ne6 {1.10/20 4} 27. Rde1 {22} b5 {0.86/19 5} 28.
Bd3 {24} a5 {0.74/20 7} 29. Be4 {38} b4 {0.58/18 1} 30. c4 {78} Rd8 {0.36/19 1}
31. Kh1 {16} Bg5 {0.00/22 3} 32. Nxg5 {13} Nxg5 {0.00/22 2} 33. Qxg5 {47} Rxg5
{-0.60/23 4} 34. Bxg5 {1} Qxd4 {-0.68/24 2} 35. Bxd8 {6} Qxd8 {-0.74/23 1} 36.
Bxc6 {31} Qd2 {-1.70/19 1} 37. Bd5 {33} Be6 {-2.92/19 2} 38. Be4 {17} Qxa2 {-4.
21/20 3} 39. Rb1 {60} Bf5 {-10.06/21 2} 0-1
[Event "Blitz 2m+2s"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2016.08.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Lyudmil Tsvetkov, owner"]
[Black "Komodo 10.1 64-bit"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbq1bnr/pppppppp/8/4k3/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQ - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "88"]
[EventDate "2016.??.??"]
[TimeControl "120+2"]
{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. e4 {0} c6 {2.65/18 3} 2. d4+ {7} Kd6 {2.61/17 7} 3. Bf4+ {
4} e5 {2.70/17 2} 4. Bxe5+ {12} Ke7 {2.36/17 3} 5. Bg3 {8} Ke8 {2.26/18 4} 6.
f4 {5} h5 {1.79/18 5} 7. Nf3 {4} d5 {1.81/19 9} 8. e5 {16} h4 {1.59/20 8} 9.
Bf2 {3} h3 {1.53/21 7} 10. g3 {3} Be7 {1.56/20 7} 11. c4 {46} Be6 {1.31/20 3}
12. b3 {50} Nh6 {1.03/19 5} 13. Nbd2 {14} Kf8 {0.79/19 2} 14. Bd3 {14} g6 {0.
87/21 12} 15. O-O {14} Kg7 {0.87/22 11} 16. c5 {107} Ng4 {0.60/19 8} 17. Qe2 {
20} Na6 {0.63/20 4} 18. a3 {5} Nc7 {0.60/21 2} 19. b4 {13} Qd7 {0.55/19 7} 20.
a4 {10} Bf5 {0.59/20 7} 21. Rfb1 {35} a6 {0.63/21 9} 22. Rb2 {62} Bxd3 {0.46/
24 4} 23. Qxd3 {4} Qf5 {0.52/25 4} 24. Qxf5 {14} gxf5 {0.54/24 2} 25. Nf1 {96}
Ne6 {0.57/23 2} 26. Ne3 {12} Kg6 {0.63/22 2} 27. Kf1 {141} Rhb8 {0.67/24 6} 28.
a5 {54} Nc7 {0.42/22 2} 29. Bg1 {10} Nb5 {0.50/22 4} 30. Rb3 {2} Rh8 {0.58/21 2
} 31. Rd1 {12} Rae8 {0.55/22 3} 32. Nxg4 {30} fxg4 {0.63/21 2} 33. Ne1 {4} Reg8
{0.75/26 7} 34. Nc2 {8} f5 {0.76/31 5} 35. Be3 {84} Nc7 {0.81/29 5} 36. Kg1 {3}
Kf7 {0.81/31 3} 37. Ne1 {18} Ke6 {0.81/30 2} 38. Nd3 {7} Nb5 {0.81/30 2} 39.
Nb2 {3} Rb8 {0.81/35 2} 40. Na4 {3} Rhg8 {0.80/34 3} 41. Nc3 {11} Nc7 {0.80/35
2} 42. Rb2 {5} Kf7 {0.80/31 1} 43. Re2 {2} Rbd8 {0.80/28 1} 44. Rde1 {5} Ne6 {
0.80/32 2} 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
