Very long threads (such as phone benchmarks)

[Alexander Schmidt]

I always use flat view, since it started to exist and just made it default, thus
there is zero problem with such a big thread.

+1

-5

In thread view, you have an immediate overview of all the posts in a specific thread.

Some people are able to read all posts simultaneously before deciding where and if to post.

Flat view means you need an additional click to access info, and additional clicks are sometimes expensive.

nonsense you only see the headers no content, thus the 'overview' helps nothing.

Nonsense. It helps of course to see if someone answered your posting or in a sub discussion.

So you are also able to do the miracle and

read all posts simultaneously

, despite primitive thread view?
Seems you are confused to what I answered...

I answered to your "overview helps nothing" and your cheeky "nonsense".

Is it so difficult to understand? Overview helps nothing to read all posts simultaneously in thread view.
Actually it is impossible in thread view, unlike the OP said. Thus I said it is nonsense...

If you all take literal be prepared to be taken literally as well. You said "overview helps nothing", I said it does. Period. Any further discussion just proves that it is very helpful to see in which sub-threads a discussion is continued, so one can ignore this kind of nonsense.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Tbh, it's the best thread to me. Every time I visit here I see if a new benchmark is posted. I'm always doing analysis on my phone. I need the best for chess. I ALWAYS use flat view.
Never gave me a problem.

It all boils down to whether you love order or chaos.

Some people like chaos more than order, for whatever reasons. Most social, as well as forum conventions, put a stress on order though.

You can not deny a thread some 2000 posts long is a bit chaotic, can you?

Then, many people give good advice, but do not follow it. Ok, I raised the point, but I was just asking, anything bad with that? You say, just ignore it and live with that; ok, but why do not you do the same, just ignore my, possibly rhetorical, question?

Other people would like ignore/like/etc. buttons here. Then discussion will follow pretty much in the following way:

A says something; B says no, it is the opposite way, C likes A, D likes B, F likes C and ignores B, while W and V ignore everybody, in nice, flashy buttony pictures.

Then A says something else again; B: +1 (font small); C: -1 (font medium); D: +5 (font huge); W and V -10 (font above huge, forum software will handle this); O,P and Q: ignore, ignore, ignore! (in nice, flashy colours)

Very appealing, is not it?
Not a single point of substance, just likes and dislikes, ignores and non-ignores.

I have always thought this is a programmers/thinkers' forum in the first place, and, by convention, programmers/thinkers are people who like to think more than doing anything else. Accordingly, the software should be accomodated to their needs, more or less the way it is now. There are enough flashy/small talk/low-input chess fora out there, are not there?

[hgm]

[Moderation] This issue is not worth a flame war. If some people like trheaded view, and we can give it to them with no cost, they should get it, no matter how many others think it is useless. As the proverb says, there is no accounting for tastes.

I opened a new thead for the phone benchmarks, for continued posting. I started it with a link to the old one, which can be used for reading back. By now that old thread has been pushed back pretty far in the history.

Let's see how this works out.

That terminates the usefulness of the discussion in this thread, so please do not add any more postings to it!

[mbabigian]

I find the phone benchmark thread annoying also. Any solution that would reduce this type of thing would be welcomed. Not super picky on what is implemented, but some effort would be appreciated.

Mike

[h1a8]

Tbh, it's the best thread to me. Every time I visit here I see if a new benchmark is posted. I'm always doing analysis on my phone. I need the best for chess. I ALWAYS use flat view.
Never gave me a problem.

It all boils down to whether you love order or chaos.

Some people like chaos more than order, for whatever reasons. Most social, as well as forum conventions, put a stress on order though.

You can not deny a thread some 2000 posts long is a bit chaotic, can you?

Then, many people give good advice, but do not follow it. Ok, I raised the point, but I was just asking, anything bad with that? You say, just ignore it and live with that; ok, but why do not you do the same, just ignore my, possibly rhetorical, question?

Other people would like ignore/like/etc. buttons here. Then discussion will follow pretty much in the following way:

A says something; B says no, it is the opposite way, C likes A, D likes B, F likes C and ignores B, while W and V ignore everybody, in nice, flashy buttony pictures.

Then A says something else again; B: +1 (font small); C: -1 (font medium); D: +5 (font huge); W and V -10 (font above huge, forum software will handle this); O,P and Q: ignore, ignore, ignore! (in nice, flashy colours)

Very appealing, is not it?
Not a single point of substance, just likes and dislikes, ignores and non-ignores.

I have always thought this is a programmers/thinkers' forum in the first place, and, by convention, programmers/thinkers are people who like to think more than doing anything else. Accordingly, the software should be accomodated to their needs, more or less the way it is now. There are enough flashy/small talk/low-input chess fora out there, are not there?

It's not a thread to be read in its entirety. It's a thread to be informed on the NEWEST benchmarks for the NEWEST mobile devices.

It's in order if you use flat view. Just jump to the last page to see the newest information. Plus I receive emails notifying me when a new post is made.
Its in perfect order.
No one is going to to read from beginning. The updated charts contains ALL information from the very beginning.

[h1a8]

I find the phone benchmark thread annoying also. Any solution that would reduce this type of thing would be welcomed. Not super picky on what is implemented, but some effort would be appreciated.

Mike

How is it annoying? I mean you guys are supposed to be smart.
Just jump to the last page (or last 2 pages) to be informed of all the latest benchmarks. USE FLAT VIEW. If you have no interest in the thread then ignore it. Problem solved. If you do then simply go to the last page for all the latest benchmarks (which includes all older ones too).

[mbabigian]

I do not want to use flat view. If I did, I would not have posted support for implementing a solution.

Here is an experiment. I dictate that you use threaded view. I have no reason, just that I require you do it. Please implement this change, thanks.

[mbabigian]

One thing to consider with the particular thread used here as an example, is the use case.

The "benchmark" thread is attempting to use forum software as essentially a rating list display page. There are many engine rating list sites. They test engines and post the updated rating list on a single page. They do not show every change of the list every time two games are played, or a new program is added. They overwrite the list with the new list as there is no need to see every edit to the page going back to prehistoric times.

Those engine rating list maintainers occasionally post here and point people back to their website via URL. I suggest this benchmark data be hosted elsewhere in a similar manner. People testing new phones should contact the list maintainer and he/she can update the list.

The phone benchmarking thread is the user community's attempt to build and maintain a speed (rating list) using forum software. This is like me using Microsoft Excel to write letters to my congressmen.

Some thoughts anyway...

[mclane]

The benchmark mobile phone gives not only the benchmark. The latest mobile phones get tested and we talk about the usefulness of these phones for computerchess. Information that is nowhere in the usual computer blogs or computer websites. Because these websites benchmark antutu, ... and all other kinds of stuff that have NO relevance to computerchess.

If you want to buy a mobile phone that is GOODBYE for chess, you cannot trust antutu or whatever benchmark because they do measure graphical stuff (unimportant for chess).

So in the mobile benchmark thread we talk about this. I see this discussions and benchmark values as a service to the computerchess community.

[Adam Hair]

+1

Whether or not the mobile benchmark thread is useful to the majority of forum members (it is not useful to me), it is definitely useful for some members.