whatever.lkaufman wrote:I can't run an arbitrary position in our tester without Involvement by Mark, and he is on vacation, but I did run it overnight on the Fritz 15 MC tester at 16 ply, which is more or less bullet chess (Fritz 16 ply is stronger than Komodo or Stockfish 16 ply, though much slower). This is your own position, not the Scandanavian one. After 742 games White scored 48.7% for minus 9 elo; Komodo rated it at zero after half a minute or so. I also ran it at ten ply to see if the increased depth at 16 ply helped White, but I got exactly 50-50 at ten ply. So I see no evidence that White is better. As for Kai's result, a +4 elo result for the Scandanavian gambit is so tiny as to be meaningless and does not suggest that the eval should be more than perhaps a couple centiply above zero even if it were confirmed with a zillion games. Maybe Stockfish does overweight mobility a bit in your examples if it reports negative scores, but Komodo seems to be right on the money here.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:when did I claim the Scandinavian position is won for white?Laskos wrote:I did play at 10''+0.1'' Komodo self games on Scandinavian, building book and all that. The performance is 50.6% for White, very balanced, below average White opening. So, you are right that score should be around 0.00, as it is both in SF and Komodo.lkaufman wrote:What is your basis for saying that White is much better here and also in the Scandanavian gambit position? To me they are both quite equal, I would have trouble choosing which side I wanted to play. Just saying you think so might count for something if you were Carlsen, but as it is you need some evidence. I could try MC playouts but you would say they are not valid due to fixed depth or to weakness of Fritz 15.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:[d]r1bqkb1r/pp1p1ppp/2n2n2/4p3/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1
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SF says initially 20-30cps black edge.
actually, white has substantial advantage and might be even winning that.
I don't know what Komodo say on this, but white is much better.
I said, white has small, but clear advantage, which was confrimed by your results, btw.
white is still winning, is not it?
so, if Komodo and SF would assess it as slightly advantageous for black, while white wins in actual case, I am very much more correct, of course.
what I claimed is that on the position featured above, the non-Scandinavian position, white has significant advantage, and that will also translate in score, if you are so kind to run some tests with the second position I posted.
not the first time that a winning position has been declared draw, or a right person wrong.
why could not you simply run some matches with Komodo at multiple cores, it will provide for randomness?
sorry to repeat it again, but fixed depth tests are simply no good.
I am completely certain the second position is either won for white, or very close to that.
I tried couple of self-tests, and score rises to above 70-80cps in the next 10 moves or so almost invariably, and I am using much longer TC, at least couple of seconds per move, so I simply don't buy the theory black could be near drawing or even having the advantage.
I hope Kai can run some TC matches with Komodo/SF on this position.