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Re: MessChess

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[Event "banksia game"]
[Date "2021.11.27"]
[White "Saitek Sparc (rev.518) (mess 0.220)"]
[Black "Tasc ChessSystem R40 (King 2.50)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/9000+0"]
[Time "22:33:28"]
[Termination "mate"]
[ECO "A52"]
[Opening "Budapest"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5
3. dxe5 Ng4 4. Bf4 {A52: Budapest, Rubinstein variation} Bb4+
5. Nd2 Nc6 6. Ngf3 Qe7
7. e3 Ngxe5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5
9. Be2 d6 10. O-O Bd7
11. a3 Bxd2 12. Qxd2 f6
13. b4 O-O-O 14. Qd4 Kb8
15. e4 Rhe8 16. b5 Be6
17. Be3 c5 18. Qc3 f5
19. Bxc5 Rc8 20. Bb4 Bxc4
21. Qd4 Red8 22. Rfe1 Bxe2
23. Rxe2 Qe6 24. Rae1 Qg6
25. Kh1 f4 26. Rd1 Ka8
27. Ree1 f3 28. Rg1 Qg4
29. Qd5 Rc2 30. Qd4 Nd3
31. Rdf1 fxg2+ 32. Rxg2 Qf3
33. Be1 Rc1 34. Qe3 Qxe3
35. fxe3 Rxe1 36. Rxe1 Nxe1
37. Rxg7 Rf8 38. Kg1 Nc2
39. Rxh7 Nxa3 40. Rh5 Kb8
41. Rd5 Kc7 42. h4 Re8
43. b6+ axb6 44. Rd4 Rh8
45. Ra4 Nb1 46. Rc4+ Kb8
47. Rb4 Nd2 48. e5 Nf3+
49. Kf2 Nxe5 50. Rd4 Kc7
51. Kg3 Ng6 52. Rc4+ Kd7
53. Rb4 Kc6 54. Rc4+ Kb5
55. Rg4 Nxh4 56. Rxh4 Rxh4
57. Kxh4 Kc4 58. Kg3 b5
59. Kf2 b4 60. Ke2 b3
61. Kd2 b5 62. Kc1 Kc3
63. Kd1 b4 64. e4 b2
65. Ke2 b1=Q 66. Kf3 Kd4
67. Kg4 Qxe4+ 68. Kg5 Ke5
69. Kh6 Qg4 70. Kh7 Kf6
71. Kh6 Qh3# 0-1
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Re: MessChess

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The ROMS which you can convert to .bat files in the CB-Emu Pro program work fine with the Hiarcs Explorer.

Also the legendary Saitek SPARC module, Dan & Kathe Spracklen's strongest offering is aldo now available 👍
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Re: MessChess

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I still haven't understood one thing - how to set a level, for example with a parameter, so that in my GUI, whether ChessBase or Arena, it plays at approximately the tempo I want and not at some automatic, usually quite low, preset level? I've tried a few trunays in Arena and everything played at its own tempo, whatever I set as tempo. In a way, the games are more interesting, because there are plenty of human-detectable mistakes.

From what I remember of the Mephisto modular MMI, the 2h/40 tournament was level 6, as was Mirage. Supermondial I think B2, Berlin 68000 I don't remember ...
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Re: MessChess

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Rubinus wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:38 am I still haven't understood one thing - how to set a level, for example with a parameter, so that in my GUI, whether ChessBase or Arena, it plays at approximately the tempo I want and not at some automatic, usually quite low, preset level? I've tried a few trunays in Arena and everything played at its own tempo, whatever I set as tempo.
Well, those old chess computers have their own levels and of course don't 'understand' any levels that the GUI (Winboard, Arena etc.) provides.
So it's useless to set any GUI level - you have to enter the wanted level in the engine configuration dialog (e.g. 'Engine settings' in Winbard, 'Configure engine' in Arena).
In this engine configuration dialog you'll see an entry 'Level', and there are in principle 3 different level settings used by these chess computers:
1) a simple number (e.g. 1..9): just select or enter the number
2) a board square (e.g. a1..h8): enter the desired square in the text field
3) some engines also have 'descriptive' levels ('sec/move' or 'min/game' etc.), which have to be entered in the text field almost in the same way
as you would have to select them in the real devices within level menus - for some examples have a look at the file 'Levels.txt' in the subfolder 'MessChess'!

Of course for all 3 methods you need to know what the numbers or squares in 1) and 2) mean for each engine, or which level settings in 3) are actually available for any engine, and that is only possible by looking into the engine's manual - manuals for almost all chess computers can be downloaded from Alain Zanchetta's website:
http://www.zanchetta.net/
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Re: MessChess

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AdminX wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:35 am [pgn]
[Event "banksia game"]
[Date "2021.11.27"]
[White "Saitek Sparc (rev.518) (mess 0.220)"]
[Black "Tasc ChessSystem R40 (King 2.50)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/9000+0"]
[Time "22:33:28"]
[Termination "mate"]
[ECO "A52"]
[Opening "Budapest"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5
3. dxe5 Ng4 4. Bf4 {A52: Budapest, Rubinstein variation} Bb4+
5. Nd2 Nc6 6. Ngf3 Qe7
7. e3 Ngxe5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5
9. Be2 d6 10. O-O Bd7
11. a3 Bxd2 12. Qxd2 f6
13. b4 O-O-O 14. Qd4 Kb8
15. e4 Rhe8 16. b5 Be6
17. Be3 c5 18. Qc3 f5
19. Bxc5 Rc8 20. Bb4 Bxc4
21. Qd4 Red8 22. Rfe1 Bxe2
23. Rxe2 Qe6 24. Rae1 Qg6
25. Kh1 f4 26. Rd1 Ka8
27. Ree1 f3 28. Rg1 Qg4
29. Qd5 Rc2 30. Qd4 Nd3
31. Rdf1 fxg2+ 32. Rxg2 Qf3
33. Be1 Rc1 34. Qe3 Qxe3
35. fxe3 Rxe1 36. Rxe1 Nxe1
37. Rxg7 Rf8 38. Kg1 Nc2
39. Rxh7 Nxa3 40. Rh5 Kb8
41. Rd5 Kc7 42. h4 Re8
43. b6+ axb6 44. Rd4 Rh8
45. Ra4 Nb1 46. Rc4+ Kb8
47. Rb4 Nd2 48. e5 Nf3+
49. Kf2 Nxe5 50. Rd4 Kc7
51. Kg3 Ng6 52. Rc4+ Kd7
53. Rb4 Kc6 54. Rc4+ Kb5
55. Rg4 Nxh4 56. Rxh4 Rxh4
57. Kxh4 Kc4 58. Kg3 b5
59. Kf2 b4 60. Ke2 b3
61. Kd2 b5 62. Kc1 Kc3
63. Kd1 b4 64. e4 b2
65. Ke2 b1=Q 66. Kf3 Kd4
67. Kg4 Qxe4+ 68. Kg5 Ke5
69. Kh6 Qg4 70. Kh7 Kf6
71. Kh6 Qh3# 0-1
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Franz really is a genius for doing this. Just note that apparently the SPARC program is only active if you use levels E-G
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Re: MessChess

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Actually does anyone know where you can download the Sparc manual, please?
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Re: MessChess

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Re: MessChess

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Werewolf wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:04 pm Just note that apparently the SPARC program is only active if you use levels E-G
In fact it's E-H.
If you call the Saitek Sparc in CB-Emu (or MessExtra/MessChess), the level is set to E1 by default,
so automatically the Sparc program is used.
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Re: MessChess

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Paloma wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:40 pm Hi Carl,

I found this here:

http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/Sai ... arc_EN.pdf
Thanks!!
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Re: MessChess

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F.Huber wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:46 pm
Werewolf wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:04 pm Just note that apparently the SPARC program is only active if you use levels E-G
In fact it's E-H.
If you call the Saitek Sparc in CB-Emu (or MessExtra/MessChess), the level is set to E1 by default,
so automatically the Sparc program is used.
Do you think one day we may get to see the Atlanta?!