Opponents for handicap match dragon-humans

[lkaufman]

I'm impressed how much difference a time control makes. As I remember, GM Ben Finegold (and you are not!) struggled at 15+10. Yesterday much lower rated players scored equally well, or maybe even better, at 90+30.

Well, you say he "struggled", but he did win 4 to 2, better than the 8 to 5 score of the humans yesterday. But his FIDE rating was about 280 above their average rating, so the long time control for the humans (together with the simul handicap and no ponder for Dragon) did help them by a bit over a class (200 elo). I would guess my own chess play improves about a class going from Rapid to Classical.

[Uri Blass]

I think that it is not logical to have no ponder by dragon.
It basically means that there may be times during the games when dragon does nothing because it is the human to move in all the games
or only calculate one or 2 games out of 7 because it is the human turn in the other games.

Considering the fact that there is no equal time control so humans use most of the time it seems that it is better to have ponder on with the same hardware.

[lkaufman]

I think that it is not logical to have no ponder by dragon.
It basically means that there may be times during the games when dragon does nothing because it is the human to move in all the games
or only calculate one or 2 games out of 7 because it is the human turn in the other games.

Considering the fact that there is no equal time control so humans use most of the time it seems that it is better to have ponder on with the same hardware.

It's not clear to me. With hyperthreading on, it may be better for the processors not to share threads with other processors thinking about moves that may not be played. You may be right, but it's probably a close call. In any case, I'm not sure that having more time to think is even useful (beyond Rapid) when giving knight odds. I didn't use MCTS for this event; if I did then it is more likely that Ponder would pay off.

[Uri Blass]

I think that it is not logical to have no ponder by dragon.
It basically means that there may be times during the games when dragon does nothing because it is the human to move in all the games
or only calculate one or 2 games out of 7 because it is the human turn in the other games.

Considering the fact that there is no equal time control so humans use most of the time it seems that it is better to have ponder on with the same hardware.

It's not clear to me. With hyperthreading on, it may be better for the processors not to share threads with other processors thinking about moves that may not be played. You may be right, but it's probably a close call. In any case, I'm not sure that having more time to think is even useful (beyond Rapid) when giving knight odds. I didn't use MCTS for this event; if I did then it is more likely that Ponder would pay off.

The main advantage of pondering is not playing better moves but replying faster to the opponent move so the opponent has less time to think on the computer time.
It is not a big advantage considering the fact that humans use most of the time.

[Uri Blass]

link for the games
https://www.chess.com/member/playkomodo

Humans won 6 games lost 3 games and drew 4 games.

KomTest1 is guy gov
komTest2 is guy Levin.

players above 2300 fide rating played one game and won their games

komtest2 (Guy Levin) and oriking(Ori Kochavi)

Oded Ross one of the winners asked me what happened to his game that he cannot find in his games.

I now cannot find also the other games in this link.

[Uri Blass]

I could find the games of Oded Ross here and it is strange that I could not find it in the history of the engine

https://www.chess.com/game/live/4567379 ... d_r&move=0

[Uri Blass]

To be more correct oded claimed that his game is not opened and not that he could not find his game.

I sent him a link and after that he said that he partially understand what is the bug and when he opened from his games computer is written instead of live and if he change it to live he can see the game.

[glav]

The event is going to be played in 7.5 with time control 90+30 for the human against 15 minutes of dragon komodo.
There are going to be 2 games in the same day when part of the human opponents are going to play 2 games and part of them one game.
one game will start probably in 14:00 pm israel time control if there is no objection by the players)
The original idea was 13:00 pm israel time.

Second game is planned to be played 17:30 pm israel time but players who play 2 games are going to get at least one half hour between the games.

The following list is not a final list and it is possible that there will be some change but this is what I plan to have:

One player with knight for f7 pawn handicap
IM Ariel Erenberg fide rating 2520
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2811634

Probably 2 games.

players with full knight handicap
FM Ori Kochavi fide ratinf 2365(not sure if one or 2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2816873

FM guy Levin fide rating 2354(only second game)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2824213

Nadav Zemach fide rating 2238(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820927

WFM Michelle Katkov fide rating 2208(only first game)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2816393

FM Pavel Chernomordik fide rating fide rating 2178(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2804530

Guy Gov fide rating 2149(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820200

Itay Sitbon(2 games) fide rating 2062
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820706

Alon Cohen(second game) fide rating 2016
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2801809

Oded Ross(second game does not have fide rating except blitz but I believe at the level of fide rating 2000 at long time control)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2811189

Games are going to be played in chess.com

Players are going to get 100 shekels for losing 100+x shekel for a draw and 100+3x shekels for winning when to find x you need to solve the equation that say that average money per game is 250 shekels
No solution to the equation in case all are losing and in this case I am going to give everybody 250 shekels but I do not believe all are going to lose.

One dollar is 3.39 shekels today.

Is father playing?

[Uri Blass]

The event is going to be played in 7.5 with time control 90+30 for the human against 15 minutes of dragon komodo.
There are going to be 2 games in the same day when part of the human opponents are going to play 2 games and part of them one game.
one game will start probably in 14:00 pm israel time control if there is no objection by the players)
The original idea was 13:00 pm israel time.

Second game is planned to be played 17:30 pm israel time but players who play 2 games are going to get at least one half hour between the games.

The following list is not a final list and it is possible that there will be some change but this is what I plan to have:

One player with knight for f7 pawn handicap
IM Ariel Erenberg fide rating 2520
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2811634

Probably 2 games.

players with full knight handicap
FM Ori Kochavi fide ratinf 2365(not sure if one or 2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2816873

FM guy Levin fide rating 2354(only second game)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2824213

Nadav Zemach fide rating 2238(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820927

WFM Michelle Katkov fide rating 2208(only first game)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2816393

FM Pavel Chernomordik fide rating fide rating 2178(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2804530

Guy Gov fide rating 2149(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820200

Itay Sitbon(2 games) fide rating 2062
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820706

Alon Cohen(second game) fide rating 2016
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2801809

Oded Ross(second game does not have fide rating except blitz but I believe at the level of fide rating 2000 at long time control)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2811189

Games are going to be played in chess.com

Players are going to get 100 shekels for losing 100+x shekel for a draw and 100+3x shekels for winning when to find x you need to solve the equation that say that average money per game is 250 shekels
No solution to the equation in case all are losing and in this case I am going to give everybody 250 shekels but I do not believe all are going to lose.

One dollar is 3.39 shekels today.

Is father playing?

This subject is about old match from 2022 and the reason I responded is mainly because for some reason I do not see komodo games in chess.com

[Father]

The event is going to be played in 7.5 with time control 90+30 for the human against 15 minutes of dragon komodo.
There are going to be 2 games in the same day when part of the human opponents are going to play 2 games and part of them one game.
one game will start probably in 14:00 pm israel time control if there is no objection by the players)
The original idea was 13:00 pm israel time.

Second game is planned to be played 17:30 pm israel time but players who play 2 games are going to get at least one half hour between the games.

The following list is not a final list and it is possible that there will be some change but this is what I plan to have:

One player with knight for f7 pawn handicap
IM Ariel Erenberg fide rating 2520
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2811634

Probably 2 games.

players with full knight handicap
FM Ori Kochavi fide ratinf 2365(not sure if one or 2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2816873

FM guy Levin fide rating 2354(only second game)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2824213

Nadav Zemach fide rating 2238(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820927

WFM Michelle Katkov fide rating 2208(only first game)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2816393

FM Pavel Chernomordik fide rating fide rating 2178(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2804530

Guy Gov fide rating 2149(2 games)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820200

Itay Sitbon(2 games) fide rating 2062
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2820706

Alon Cohen(second game) fide rating 2016
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2801809

Oded Ross(second game does not have fide rating except blitz but I believe at the level of fide rating 2000 at long time control)
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2811189

Games are going to be played in chess.com

Players are going to get 100 shekels for losing 100+x shekel for a draw and 100+3x shekels for winning when to find x you need to solve the equation that say that average money per game is 250 shekels
No solution to the equation in case all are losing and in this case I am going to give everybody 250 shekels but I do not believe all are going to lose.

One dollar is 3.39 shekels today.

Is father playing?

Good evening Glav.
I don't know the mechanics of the tournament. I have not been invited to play and I do not know if it is an open entry tournament or if it requires some type of prerequisite. Consequently I will not be playing in the tournament against the robots. Furthermore, this week has been a very difficult week for me, a great friend has been called by our Programmer to eternal life and this has been a painful surprise. Today is my good friend's funeral and from my desk I raise a prayer written with the depths of my human algorithm. The sentence consists of an artistic match in chess that I am going to publish here in the chat and that I have achieved
just a few minutes ago against high complexity LeelaKnightOdds, which I just played at 3 minute 2 second increment time control. As always I continue riding on my Catecan wooden horse, in this I fly through the clouds and stars looking for happiness driven by the hope of a better life that lasts forever in love. The second and minute hands of my algorithm's clock mark the footsteps of my horse and prove that it is running out second by second; The flag will fall and those who study the steps of the path will be able to follow it if they want..."Walker, there is no path,
the path is made by walking,
and when I look back,
you look at the path
that must never be stepped on again. Walker there is no path, the path is made by walking.!!

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1. d4 g6 2. f4 d5 3. e3 Bg7 4. Nf3 O-O 5. c3 c5 6. a3 Qc7 7. b4 c4 8. a4 Nd7 9. Be2 Nf6 10. O-O b6 11. Qc2 Bf5 12. Qb2 Ne8 13. Nh4 Bd7 14. Nf3 Nd6 15. Nbd2 f6 16. Re1 Bf5 17. Nh4 Bd7 18. Nhf3 Rae8 19. Nf1 a6 20. a5 b5 21. Ra2 Qa7 22. Bd1 Bf5 23. Bc2 Be4 24. N3d2 f5 25. Bxe4 fxe4 26. g3 Qd7 27. Re2 g5 28. Rg2 h5 29. Nb1 Qh3 30. Qe2 e6 31. Bd2 Bf6 32. Be1 Kf7 33. Kh1 Rh8 34. Rg1 Reg8 35. Qg2 Qf5 36. Re2 Ke8 37. Rf2 Kd7 38. Nbd2 g4 39. Re2 Be7 40. Rf2 Qf8 41. Re2 Rg7 42. Rf2 Qg8 43. Re2 Rhh7 44. Rf2 Qf8 45. Re2 Qa8 46. Rf2 Nf5 47. Nb1 h4 48. Re2 Qh8 49. Rc2 Rg6 50. Re2 hxg3 51. Bxg3 Rh3 52. Qf2 Bf6 53. Rg2 Kc6 54. Kg1 Rgh6 55. Rc2 Kd7 56. Re2 Qh7 57. Rc2 Be7 58. Re2 Qh8 59. Rc2 Qh7 60. Re2 Bf6 61. Rc2 Qh8 62. Re2 Be7 63. Rc2 Kc8 64. Re2 Rg6 65. Rc2 Kb7 66. Re2 Rgh6 67. Rc2 Qh7 68. Re2 Rg6 69. Rc2 Rg7 70. Re2 Qh8 71. Rc2 Qh6 72. Re2 Qh7 73. Rc2 Bh4 74. Re2 Qh8 75. Rc2 Kc6 76. Re2 Kd7 77. Rc2 Ke8 78. Re2 Kf7 79. Rc2 Rh7 80. Re2 Bxg3 81. Rxg3 Rg7 82. Qg2 Rh6 83. Nbd2 Nh4 84. Qf2 Qh7 85. Kh1 Qf5 86. Kg1 Rgg6 87. Kh1 Rh8 88. Kg1 Rg7 89. Kh1 Rhg8 90. Kg1 Rh7 91. Kh1 Rg6 92. Kg1 Rh5 93. Kh1 Rh8 94. Kg1 Rgh6 95. Kh1 Rg8 96. Kg1 Ke7 97. Kh1 Kf7 98. Kg1 Rg7 99. Kh1 Rhh7 100. Kg1 Rg6 101. Kh1 Rhh6 102. Kg1 Rh8 103. Kh1 Rg7 104. Kg1 Rgh7 105. Kh1 Rh6 106. Kg1 Ke7 107. Kh1 Rg8 108. Kg1 Qh7 109. Kh1 Kf7 110. Kg1 Ke7 111. Kh1 Kf8 112. Kg1 Kf7 113. Kh1 Ke7 114. Kg1 Kd7 115. Kh1 Ke7 116. Kg1 Kf7 117. Kh1 Rg7 118. Kg1 Ke8 119. Kh1 Kd7 120. Kg1 Rg8 121. Kh1 Ke8 122. Kg1 Rgg6 123. Kh1 Kd8 124. Kg1 Kd7 125. Kh1 Ke8 126. Kg1 Nf3+ 127. Kh1 Nh4 128. Kg1 Nf5 129. Kh1 Nh4 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]