Black to play and Draw, which engine can solve this Puzzle ?

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Re: Source from a Gioachino Greco's manuscript.

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peter wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:58 pm
Ajedrecista wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:48 pm Hello:

I had seen this problem before, so I know the solution, but I did not know that the problem was that old! Googling the position retrieves a problem of 1623 by Gioachino Greco. It was difficult to find his manuscripts, but I succeeded with one of them, thanks to the title given at Wikipedia article about Greco.

Thank you very much to the Cleveland Public Library Digital Gallery, which hosts a copy of Trattato del Nobilissimo et Militare Essercitio de Scacchi nel Quale si Contengono Molti Bellissimi Tratti et la Vera Scienza di Esso Gioco. Composto da Gioachino Greco Calabrese. I was lucky enough to find the problem without diagrammes and in a foreign language to me (Italian). It starts at the end of this page:

https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digit ... 20/id/9597
Great, thanks a lot regards
Here it the puzzle, presented by my online trainer on Youtube, which I have spent lot of Money so far with over 18 months r ==>

Here is Berserk playing White and thinking that it will win Both engines without EGTB, but Shereder8 playing with the Black piece, knew exactly what to play. How many of you believe that Berserk playing with the Black pieces can select the Bishop Sac 3. Kxf1 Bh3! on the 3rd move ?
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Berserk-9-x64-avx2"]
[Black "Shredder8"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "2810"]
[Time "08:09:51"]
[WhiteElo "3440"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r7/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/5RPP/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "429"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. ... Ra1+ 2. Rf1 Rxf1+ 3. Kxf1 Bh3 4. gxh3 Kh4 5. Kg2 Kg5 6. Kg3 Kf6 7.
Kg4 Kg6 8. h4 Kh6 9. Be4 Kg7 10. Kg3 Kf7 11. Kf4 Kg8 12. h5 Kf8 13. h6 Kg8
14. Bd5+ Kh7 15. Kg5 Kh8 16. Bc4 Kh7 17. Be6 Kh8 18. Bf5 Kg8 19. Be4 Kh8
20. Kg6 Kg8 21. Bb1 Kh8 22. Kg5 Kg8 23. Kf6 Kh8 24. Ke6 Kg8 25. Ke7 Kh8 26.
Kd6 Kg8 27. Kc5 Kh8 28. Kd4 Kg8 29. Ke5 Kh8 30. Bd3 Kg8 31. Be4 Kh8 32. Bc2
Kg8 33. Kd4 Kh8 34. Bf5 Kg8 35. Ke5 Kh8 36. Be4 Kg8 37. Ke6 Kh8 38. Ke7 Kg8
39. Bd3 Kh8 40. h4 Kg8 41. Be4 Kh8 42. Kd6 Kg8 43. Ke6 Kh8 44. Kd5 Kg8 45.
Ke6 Kh8 46. Ke7 Kg8 47. Kf6 Kh8 48. Bc2 Kg8 49. Be4 Kh8 50. Kg6 Kg8 51. h5
Kh8 52. Bd3 Kg8 53. Bc2 Kh8 54. Bd1 Kg8 55. Bc2 Kh8 56. Be4 Kg8 57. Bd5+
Kh8 58. Bf3 Kg8 59. Bd5+ Kh8 60. Kg5 Kh7 61. Bf3 Kg8 62. Bd5+ Kh8 63. Be4
Kg8 64. Kg6 Kh8 65. Bf3 Kg8 66. Ba8 Kh8 67. Kg5 Kg8 68. Kg6 Kh8 69. Bg2 Kg8
70. Bc6 Kh8 71. Be8 Kg8 72. Ba4 Kh8 73. Bc6 Kg8 74. Bd7 Kh8 75. Bh3 Kg8 76.
Bd7 Kh8 77. Ba4 Kg8 78. Bb3+ Kh8 79. Bd1 Kg8 80. Bf3 Kh8 81. Kf7 Kh7 82.
Be2 Kh8 83. Kf6 Kh7 84. Kf7 Kh8 85. Bf3 Kh7 86. Bd1 Kh8 87. Bg4 Kh7 88. Bd1
Kh8 89. Ba4 Kh7 90. Bc2+ Kh8 91. Kg6 Kg8 92. Bd3 Kh8 93. Bb1 Kg8 94. Ba2+
Kh8 95. Kf7 Kh7 96. Bb1+ Kh8 97. Kg6 Kg8 98. Kf6 Kh8 99. Kg5 Kg8 100. Bg6
Kf8 101. h7 Kg7 102. Bb1 Kh8 103. Bc2 Kg7 104. Bf5 Kh8 105. Bg6 Kg7 106.
Bb1 Kh8 107. Kf4 Kg7 108. Be4 Kh8 109. Bb1 Kg7 110. Kg4 Kh8 111. Bf5 Kg7
112. Bg6 Kh8 113. Be4 Kg7 114. Bb1 Kh8 115. Bc2 Kg7 116. Kf4 Kh8 117. Kg3
Kg7 118. Kg4 Kh8 119. Kg5 Kg7 120. Be4 Kh8 121. Kf4 Kg7 122. Bb1 Kh8 123.
Bd3 Kg7 124. Ke5 Kh8 125. Ke6 Kg7 126. Ke7 Kh8 127. Ke6 Kg7 128. Ke5 Kh8
129. Bf5 Kg7 130. Bg6 Kh8 131. Kf4 Kg7 132. Bb1 Kh8 133. Ke3 Kg7 134. Bg6
Kh8 135. Kd4 Kg7 136. Bf5 Kh8 137. Bb1 Kg7 138. Ke5 Kh8 139. Bc2 Kg7 140.
Bg6 Kh8 141. Be4 Kg7 142. Ke6 Kh8 143. Ke5 Kg7 144. Kd6 Kh8 145. Kd5 Kg7
146. Kc4 Kh8 147. Bc2 Kg7 148. Kd4 Kh8 149. Ke5 Kg7 150. h8=Q+ Kxh8 151.
Ke6 Kg8 152. Be4 Kg7 153. Ke7 Kh6 154. Bf3 Kg7 155. Be4 Kh6 156. Bf3 Kg7
157. Ke6 Kh7 158. Kf7 Kh8 159. Kg6 Kg8 160. h6 Kh8 161. Bc6 Kg8 162. Kh5
Kh7 163. Ba4 Kh8 164. Bc2 Kg8 165. Bd3 Kh8 166. Kg5 Kg8 167. Kf6 Kh8 168.
Bg6 Kg8 169. h7+ Kh8 170. Kg5 Kg7 171. Kg4 Kh8 172. Kf4 Kg7 173. Ke4 Kh8
174. Kf3 Kg7 175. Kg4 Kh8 176. Kf4 Kg7 177. Ke3 Kh8 178. Bb1 Kg7 179. Kd2
Kh8 180. Bc2 Kg7 181. Bd3 Kh8 182. Kc3 Kg7 183. Kd2 Kh8 184. Kc1 Kg7 185.
Kc2 Kh8 186. Kc3 Kg7 187. Kb4 Kh8 188. Ka4 Kg7 189. Ka3 Kh8 190. Ka4 Kg7
191. Kb3 Kh8 192. Ka3 Kg7 193. Kb3 Kh8 194. Bc2 Kg7 195. Kc4 Kh8 196. Kb5
Kg7 197. Bd3 Kh8 198. Kc5 Kg7 199. Bc2 Kh8 200. Bd3 Kg7 201. Kd5 Kh8 202.
Be4 Kg7 203. Kc6 Kh8 204. Kb6 Kg7 205. Ka6 Kh8 206. Ka7 Kg7 207. Kb6 Kh8
208. Kc5 Kg7 209. Kc4 Kh8 210. Kd3 Kg7 211. Kc4 Kh8 212. Bf5 Kg7 213. Kd4
Kh8 214. Bd3 Kg7 215. h8=N Kxh8 {Insufficient material} *

[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2750"]
[Time "08:09:51"]
[WhiteElo "3440"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r7/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/5RPP/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "429"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. ... Ra1+ 2. Rf1 Rxf1+ 3. Kxf1 Bh3 4. gxh3 Kh4 5. Kg2 Kg5 6. Kg3 Kf6 7.
Kg4 Kg6 8. h4 Kh6 9. Be4 Kg7 10. Kg3 Kf7 11. Kf4 Kg8 12. h5 Kf8 13. h6 Kg8
14. Bd5+ Kh7 15. Kg5 Kh8 16. Bc4 Kh7 17. Be6 Kh8 18. Bf5 Kg8 19. Be4 Kh8
20. Kg6 Kg8 21. Bb1 Kh8 22. Kg5 Kg8 23. Kf6 Kh8 24. Ke6 Kg8 25. Ke7 Kh8 26.
Kd6 Kg8 27. Kc5 Kh8 28. Kd4 Kg8 29. Ke5 Kh8 30. Bd3 Kg8 31. Be4 Kh8 32. Bc2
Kg8 33. Kd4 Kh8 34. Bf5 Kg8 35. Ke5 Kh8 36. Be4 Kg8 37. Ke6 Kh8 38. Ke7 Kg8
39. Bd3 Kh8 40. h4 Kg8 41. Be4 Kh8 42. Kd6 Kg8 43. Ke6 Kh8 44. Kd5 Kg8 45.
Ke6 Kh8 46. Ke7 Kg8 47. Kf6 Kh8 48. Bc2 Kg8 49. Be4 Kh8 50. Kg6 Kg8 51. h5
Kh8 52. Bd3 Kg8 53. Bc2 Kh8 54. Bd1 Kg8 55. Bc2 Kh8 56. Be4 Kg8 57. Bd5+
Kh8 58. Bf3 Kg8 59. Bd5+ Kh8 60. Kg5 Kh7 61. Bf3 Kg8 62. Bd5+ Kh8 63. Be4
Kg8 64. Kg6 Kh8 65. Bf3 Kg8 66. Ba8 Kh8 67. Kg5 Kg8 68. Kg6 Kh8 69. Bg2 Kg8
70. Bc6 Kh8 71. Be8 Kg8 72. Ba4 Kh8 73. Bc6 Kg8 74. Bd7 Kh8 75. Bh3 Kg8 76.
Bd7 Kh8 77. Ba4 Kg8 78. Bb3+ Kh8 79. Bd1 Kg8 80. Bf3 Kh8 81. Kf7 Kh7 82.
Be2 Kh8 83. Kf6 Kh7 84. Kf7 Kh8 85. Bf3 Kh7 86. Bd1 Kh8 87. Bg4 Kh7 88. Bd1
Kh8 89. Ba4 Kh7 90. Bc2+ Kh8 91. Kg6 Kg8 92. Bd3 Kh8 93. Bb1 Kg8 94. Ba2+
Kh8 95. Kf7 Kh7 96. Bb1+ Kh8 97. Kg6 Kg8 98. Kf6 Kh8 99. Kg5 Kg8 100. Bg6
Kf8 101. h7 Kg7 102. Bb1 Kh8 103. Bc2 Kg7 104. Bf5 Kh8 105. Bg6 Kg7 106.
Bb1 Kh8 107. Kf4 Kg7 108. Be4 Kh8 109. Bb1 Kg7 110. Kg4 Kh8 111. Bf5 Kg7
112. Bg6 Kh8 113. Be4 Kg7 114. Bb1 Kh8 115. Bc2 Kg7 116. Kf4 Kh8 117. Kg3
Kg7 118. Kg4 Kh8 119. Kg5 Kg7 120. Be4 Kh8 121. Kf4 Kg7 122. Bb1 Kh8 123.
Bd3 Kg7 124. Ke5 Kh8 125. Ke6 Kg7 126. Ke7 Kh8 127. Ke6 Kg7 128. Ke5 Kh8
129. Bf5 Kg7 130. Bg6 Kh8 131. Kf4 Kg7 132. Bb1 Kh8 133. Ke3 Kg7 134. Bg6
Kh8 135. Kd4 Kg7 136. Bf5 Kh8 137. Bb1 Kg7 138. Ke5 Kh8 139. Bc2 Kg7 140.
Bg6 Kh8 141. Be4 Kg7 142. Ke6 Kh8 143. Ke5 Kg7 144. Kd6 Kh8 145. Kd5 Kg7
146. Kc4 Kh8 147. Bc2 Kg7 148. Kd4 Kh8 149. Ke5 Kg7 150. h8=Q+ Kxh8 151.
Ke6 Kg8 152. Be4 Kg7 153. Ke7 Kh6 154. Bf3 Kg7 155. Be4 Kh6 156. Bf3 Kg7
157. Ke6 Kh7 158. Kf7 Kh8 159. Kg6 Kg8 160. h6 Kh8 161. Bc6 Kg8 162. Kh5
Kh7 163. Ba4 Kh8 164. Bc2 Kg8 165. Bd3 Kh8 166. Kg5 Kg8 167. Kf6 Kh8 168.
Bg6 Kg8 169. h7+ Kh8 170. Kg5 Kg7 171. Kg4 Kh8 172. Kf4 Kg7 173. Ke4 Kh8
174. Kf3 Kg7 175. Kg4 Kh8 176. Kf4 Kg7 177. Ke3 Kh8 178. Bb1 Kg7 179. Kd2
Kh8 180. Bc2 Kg7 181. Bd3 Kh8 182. Kc3 Kg7 183. Kd2 Kh8 184. Kc1 Kg7 185.
Kc2 Kh8 186. Kc3 Kg7 187. Kb4 Kh8 188. Ka4 Kg7 189. Ka3 Kh8 190. Ka4 Kg7
191. Kb3 Kh8 192. Ka3 Kg7 193. Kb3 Kh8 194. Bc2 Kg7 195. Kc4 Kh8 196. Kb5
Kg7 197. Bd3 Kh8 198. Kc5 Kg7 199. Bc2 Kh8 200. Bd3 Kg7 201. Kd5 Kh8 202.
Be4 Kg7 203. Kc6 Kh8 204. Kb6 Kg7 205. Ka6 Kh8 206. Ka7 Kg7 207. Kb6 Kh8
208. Kc5 Kg7 209. Kc4 Kh8 210. Kd3 Kg7 211. Kc4 Kh8 212. Bf5 Kg7 213. Kd4
Kh8 214. Bd3 Kg7 215. h8=N Kxh8 {Insufficient material} *[/pgn]
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Re: Black to play and Draw, which engine can solve this Puzzle ?

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How many of you believe that Berserk playing with the Black pieces without EGTB can select the Bishop Sac 3. Kxf1 Bh3! on the 3rd move ?
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Shredder8"]
[Black "Berserk-9-x64-avx2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3440"]
[Time "08:09:51"]
[WhiteElo "2810"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r7/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/5RPP/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "429"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. ... Ra1+ {(Ra8-a1+ Rf2-f1 Ra1xf1+ Kg1xf1 Kg5-h4 Kf1-e2 Bf5-h3 g2-g3+
Kh4-g5 Ke2-e3 Kg5-f5 Bf3-e2 Kf5-g5 Ke3-e4 Bh3-f5+ Ke4-e5 Bf5-d7 h2-h4+
Kg5-h6 Be2-a6 Bd7-g4 Ba6-d3 Bg4-d1 Ke5-f4 Kh6-g7 Bd3-c4 Kg7-f6 Bc4-d5
Kf6-g7 Kf4-g5 Bd1-c2 Bd5-f3 Bc2-d3 Bf3-g2 Bd3-e2 Bg2-h3 Be2-c4 Kg5-f4
Bc4-a2 Bh3-g2 Kg7-g6 g3-g4 Ba2-b3 Bg2-e4+ Kg6-f6) -2.70/33 14} 2. Rf1
{(Rf2-f1 Ra1-a3 Kg1-f2 Bf5-g4 Kf2-g3 Bg4xf3 Rf1xf3 Ra3-a1 h2-h4+ Kg5-g6
Rf3-f4 Ra1-a2 Kg3-h3 Ra2-b2) +2.08/19 5} Rxf1+ {(Ra1xf1+ Kg1xf1 Kg5-h4
Kf1-f2 Bf5-d3 Bf3-c6 Kh4-g5 Bc6-d7 Bd3-g6 g2-g3 Bg6-h5 Kf2-e3 Bh5-d1 h2-h3
Bd1-h5 Ke3-e4 Bh5-g6+ Ke4-e5 Bg6-h5 h3-h4+ Kg5-h6 Ke5-e4 Bh5-d1 Ke4-f4
Kh6-g6 Bd7-c6 Kg6-h7 Bc6-f3 Bd1-b3 Kf4-e4 Kh7-h8 g3-g4 Kh8-g8 Ke4-e3 Kg8-f8
Ke3-e4) -2.89/32 24} 3. Kxf1 {(Kg1xf1 Kg5-h4 Kf1-f2 Bf5-c8) +2.97/7} Bd7
{(Bf5-d7 Kf1-f2 Bd7-f5 Kf2-e3 Bf5-e6 Ke3-e4 Be6-c4 Ke4-e5 Bc4-f1 g2-g3
Bf1-h3 Bf3-d1 Kg5-g6 Ke5-f4 Bh3-d7 Bd1-g4 Bd7-a4 Bg4-e6 Ba4-c6 g3-g4 Kg6-f6
Be6-f5 Bc6-a4 g4-g5+ Kf6-g7 h2-h4 Ba4-e8 Kf4-e4 Kg7-h8 Bf5-e6 Kh8-h7 Be6-g4
Be8-g6+ Ke4-e5) -3.10/29 6} 4. g3 {(g2-g3 Bd7-h3+ Kf1-f2 Kg5-g6 Bf3-g2
Bh3-f5 h2-h4 Bf5-g4 Bg2-e4+ Kg6-h6 Be4-f3 Bg4-c8 Kf2-e3 Bc8-e6) +3.02/26
12} Bh3+ {(Bd7-h3+ Kf1-f2) -3.59/32 113} 5. Bg2 {(Bf3-g2 Bh3-f5 h2-h4+
Kg5-g4 Kf1-f2 Kg4-h5 Bg2-f3+ Kh5-g6 Kf2-e3 Bf5-c8 Bf3-g2 Kg6-h6 Bg2-f3)
+2.99/27 14} Bd7 {(Bh3-d7 h2-h4+ Kg5-f6 Kf1-f2 Kf6-e5 Kf2-e3 Ke5-f6 Ke3-f4
Bd7-e6 Bg2-e4 Be6-d7 h4-h5 Kf6-g7 Kf4-g5 Kg7-g8 Be4-f5 Bd7-a4 Kg5-h4 Ba4-d1
h5-h6 Bd1-e2 Bf5-g6 Kg8-h8 Bg6-h5 Be2-d3 g3-g4 Bd3-e4 g4-g5 Be4-f5 Bh5-e2
Kh8-g8 Kh4-g3 Bf5-e4 Kg3-f2 Kg8-f8 Kf2-e3 Be4-b1 Be2-d3 Bb1-a2 Ke3-f4)
-3.61/29 8} 6. Kf2 {(Kf1-f2 Bd7-e6 h2-h3 Kg5-f5 Kf2-e3 Be6-c8 Bg2-e4+
Kf5-e5 g3-g4 Bc8-e6 Be4-g2 Be6-c4) +3.12/25 24} Ba4 {(Bd7-a4 Bg2-f3 Kg5-f5
Kf2-e3 Ba4-d7 h2-h4 Kf5-e5 Bf3-e4 Ke5-e6 g3-g4 Ke6-e5 g4-g5 Bd7-e8 Be4-c2
Be8-f7 Ke3-f3 Bf7-h5+ Kf3-g3 Ke5-e6 Kg3-f4 Ke6-f7 Bc2-f5 Bh5-d1 Bf5-e4
Bd1-e2 Be4-d5+ Kf7-g7 Bd5-f3 Be2-d3 Bf3-g4 Bd3-f1 Kf4-e5 Kg7-h8 h4-h5
Bf1-g2 Ke5-f6 Kh8-h7) -3.94/30 10} 7. h4+ {(h2-h4+ Kg5-f5 Bg2-h3+ Kf5-g6
Kf2-e3 Kg6-h5 Ke3-f4 Ba4-b3 Bh3-d7 Bb3-f7 Bd7-g4+ Kh5-h6 Bg4-f5 Bf7-h5
Bf5-e4 Bh5-e2 Be4-f3 Be2xf3 Kf4xf3 Kh6-g6 Kf3-f2 Kg6-f7) +3.29/26 13} Kf5
{(Kg5-f5 Bg2-h3+ Kf5-e5 Kf2-e3 Ba4-d1 Bh3-g2 Bd1-g4 Bg2-e4 Ke5-f6 Ke3-f4
Bg4-e6 Be4-d3 Be6-d7 Bd3-c2 Bd7-h3 h4-h5 Kf6-g7 Bc2-f5 Bh3-f1 Kf4-g5 Kg7-g8
h5-h6 Bf1-e2 Kg5-h4 Be2-d1 Bf5-g6 Kg8-h8 Bg6-h5 Bd1-a4 g3-g4 Ba4-d7 g4-g5
Bd7-f5 Bh5-f7 Kh8-h7 Kh4-g3 Bf5-c2 Kg3-f4 Bc2-d3 Bf7-b3 Kh7-g6 Bb3-d1
Kg6-f7 Bd1-h5+ Kf7-e7 Bh5-e2 Bd3-g6 Be2-g4 Ke7-e8 Kf4-e5) -4.19/31 9} 8.
Bh3+ {(Bg2-h3+ Kf5-e5 Kf2-e3 Ba4-d1 Bh3-c8 Bd1-h5 Ke3-f2 Bh5-d1 Bc8-g4
Bd1xg4 Kf2-g2) +3.33/26 10} Ke5 {(Kf5-e5 Kf2-e3 Ba4-e8 Bh3-g4) -5.16/30 24}
9. Ke3 {(Kf2-e3 Ba4-b3 Bh3-f1 Bb3-e6 Bf1-d3 Ke5-f6 Ke3-f4 Be6-c8 h4-h5
Kf6-g7 Kf4-g5 Bc8-e6 h5-h6+ Kg7-h8 Bd3-e4) +3.35/26 9} Bb3 {(Ba4-b3 h4-h5
Ke5-f6 Ke3-f4 Kf6-g7 Kf4-g5 Kg7-h8 Bh3-g4 Bb3-f7 Bg4-e2 Bf7-e6 Be2-d3
Be6-d7 Bd3-f5 Bd7-a4 h5-h6 Ba4-b5 Kg5-f4 Bb5-e2 Bf5-b1 Be2-f1 Bb1-e4 Kh8-g8
g3-g4 Kg8-h8 Be4-g6 Bf1-h3 g4-g5 Bh3-e6 Bg6-h5 Be6-h3 Bh5-d1 Kh8-g8 Bd1-g4
Bh3-f1 Kf4-e5 Kg8-f7 Bg4-e6+ Kf7-e8) -6.30/30 28} 10. Bd7 {(Bh3-d7 Bb3-d1
Bd7-e8 Ke5-f5 Be8-b5 Kf5-g4 Ke3-f2 Kg4-f5 Bb5-e2 Bd1-b3 Kf2-e3 Kf5-f6 g3-g4
Kf6-g6) +3.50/28 9} Bd1 {(Bb3-d1 Bd7-b5 Bd1-g4 Bb5-d3 Ke5-f6 Ke3-f4 Bg4-h3
h4-h5 Kf6-g7 Kf4-g5 Bh3-d7 Bd3-f1 Bd7-c6 Bf1-h3 Bc6-h1 Bh3-d7 Kg7-f8 Bd7-f5
Bh1-f3 Bf5-g4 Bf3-g2 h5-h6 Bg2-e4 Bg4-e6 Be4-b7 Kg5-f6) -4.29/25 2} 11. Be8
{(Bd7-e8 Ke5-f5 Be8-b5 Kf5-g4 Ke3-f2 Kg4-f5 Bb5-e2 Bd1-a4 Kf2-e3 Ba4-d7
g3-g4+ Kf5-e5 g4-g5 Ke5-d5) +3.56/30 12} Kf5 {(Ke5-f5 Be8-d7+ Kf5-g6 Ke3-f4
Bd1-e2 Bd7-c6 Kg6-g7 Bc6-b7 Be2-h5 Bb7-f3 Bh5-f7 Kf4-e5 Bf7-g6 Bf3-d1
Bg6-e8 g3-g4 Kg7-g6 Ke5-f4 Kg6-g7) -6.13/26 4} 12. Bb5 {(Be8-b5 Kf5-g4
Ke3-f2 Kg4-f5 Bb5-e2 Bd1-b3 Kf2-e3 Kf5-f6 g3-g4 Bb3-e6 g4-g5+ Kf6-e5)
+3.75/30 14} Kg4 {(Kf5-g4 Ke3-f2 Kg4-f5 Bb5-e2 Bd1-b3 Kf2-e3 Kf5-e5 g3-g4
Bb3-f7 g4-g5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Bf7-h5+ Kf3-f2 Bh5-f7 Kf2-g3 Kf5-g6 Kg3-g4
Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Bf7-e8 Kg4-f4 Kg7-f7 Kf4-f5 Kf7-g7 Kf5-e5 Kg7-f7 g5-g6+ Kf7-g7
Ke5-f5 Kg7-h6 Be2-c4 Kh6xh5 Bc4-f7 Be8-d7+ Kf5-f6 Kh5-h4 g6-g7 Kh4-g3
g7-g8Q+ Kg3-f2 Qg8-f8 Kf2-g2) -7.90/27 9} 13. Kf2 {(Ke3-f2 Bd1-b3 Bb5-e2+
Kg4-f5 Kf2-e3 Kf5-e5 g3-g4 Bb3-f7 g4-g5 Bf7-d5 Be2-g4 Bd5-g8 h4-h5 Bg8-h7
Ke3-f3 Bh7-c2 Kf3-g3) +3.93/30 8} Kf5 {(Kg4-f5 Bb5-e2 Bd1-a4 Kf2-e3 Ba4-e8
g3-g4+ Kf5-f6 g4-g5+ Kf6-f5 Ke3-f3 Be8-c6+ Kf3-g3 Bc6-e8 Be2-d3+ Kf5-e6
Kg3-f4 Ke6-f7 Bd3-e2 Be8-d7 Be2-c4+ Kf7-e7 h4-h5 Bd7-a4 h5-h6 Ba4-c2 Bc4-g8
Ke7-f8 Bg8-e6 Bc2-d3 Be6-d5 Bd3-f1 Kf4-e5 Bf1-e2 Ke5-f6 Kf8-e8 Bd5-f7+
Ke8-d7 h6-h7 Be2-d3) -12.36/24 15} 14. Be2 {(Bb5-e2 Bd1-a4 Kf2-e3 Kf5-e5
g3-g4 Ba4-e8 g4-g5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Be8-h5+ Kf3-f2 Kf5-g6) +3.91/29 9} Bb3
{(Bd1-b3 Kf2-e3 Kf5-g6 g3-g4 Bb3-e6 g4-g5 Kg6-f5 Ke3-f3 Be6-f7 Kf3-g3
Bf7-e8 Be2-d3+ Kf5-e5 Kg3-g4 Be8-d7+ Kg4-h5 Ke5-d4 Bd3-b1 Bd7-b5 g5-g6
Kd4-e5 Kh5-g5 Ke5-d6 Bb1-f5 Bb5-e2 Kg5-f6 Kd6-c5 g6-g7 Kc5-b4 g7-g8Q Kb4-c3
Qg8-e8 Be2-c4 Qe8-e5+ Kc3-b4) -16.92/26 21} 15. Ke3 {(Kf2-e3 Kf5-e5 g3-g4
Bb3-f7 g4-g5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Bf7-h5+ Kf3-f2 Bh5-e8 Kf2-g3) +4.18/29 20} Ke5
{(Kf5-e5 g3-g4 Bb3-e6 g4-g5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Be6-f7 Kf3-g3 Kf5-e4 Be2-g4
Ke4-e3 Bg4-f3 Ke3-d4 h4-h5 Kd4-e5 Bf3-g4 Bf7-c4 h5-h6 Bc4-d3 Bg4-f3 Bd3-h7
Bf3-h5 Ke5-f5 Kg3-h4 Bh7-g8 Bh5-f7 Bg8xf7 h6-h7 Bf7-d5 h7-h8Q Kf5-e6
Qh8-g8+ Ke6-d6 Qg8xd5+ Kd6xd5 g5-g6) -251.05/27 25} 16. g4 {(g3-g4 Bb3-f7
g4-g5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Kf5-e5 Kf3-g3 Ke5-d5 h4-h5 Kd5-e6 h5-h6 Bf7-g6 Be2-f3
Bg6-c2 Kg3-f4 Ke6-d6 g5-g6 Bc2-d3 h6-h7 Bd3-c4 h7-h8Q Kd6-e7) +4.15/28 9}
Be6 {(Bb3-e6 g4-g5 Be6-d5 Be2-d3 Bd5-f7 Ke3-f3 Bf7-e8 Kf3-g4 Be8-d7+ Kg4-g3
Bd7-e8 Bd3-e2 Ke5-f5 Be2-g4+ Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Be8-f7 Bg4-e2 Ke5-d5 h5-h6 Kd5-c5
h6-h7 Bf7-b3 Be2-g4 Bb3-a2 Kg3-f4 Ba2-d5 h7-h8Q Bd5-e4 Kf4xe4 Kc5-b6 g5-g6
Kb6-b7 Ke4-e5 Kb7-c6 g6-g7 Kc6-c5 g7-g8Q Kc5-b5) -275.29/24 9} 17. g5
{(g4-g5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Be6-d5+ Kf3-g3 Bd5-e4 Be2-g4+ Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Be4-c2
Kg3-h4 Bc2-h7 h5-h6 Ke5-f4) +4.61/28 19} Bd5 {(Be6-d5 Be2-g4 Bd5-c4 h4-h5
Bc4-b3 h5-h6 Bb3-g8 Bg4-d7 Bg8-h7 Ke3-f3 Bh7-d3 Kf3-g3 Bd3-e4 Bd7-e8 Be4-d3
Kg3-f3 Bd3-b1 Be8-f7 Bb1-d3 Kf3-g4 Bd3-e4 Kg4-g3 Ke5-d6 Bf7-g8 Kd6-c6
Kg3-f4 Be4-g6 Bg8-e6 Bg6-f5 Kf4xf5 Kc6-b7 Kf5-f6 Kb7-c7 h6-h7 Kc7-c6
h7-h8Q) -266.16/21 3} 18. Bg4 {(Be2-g4 Bd5-g8 h4-h5 Bg8-e6 Bg4xe6 Ke5xe6
h5-h6 Ke6-f5 h6-h7 Kf5-e5) +8.57/23 16} Bc4 {(Bd5-c4 h4-h5 Bc4-b3 Bg4-d7
Bb3-a2 h5-h6 Ba2-g8 Ke3-f3 Bg8-h7 Kf3-g3 Ke5-d6 Bd7-h3 Kd6-c6 Kg3-f4 Kc6-b7
Bh3-g2+ Kb7-b6 Bg2-f3 Bh7-e4 Kf4xe4 Kb6-b5 Bf3-h5 Kb5-c6 h6-h7 Kc6-d6
Ke4-f4 Kd6-c6 Bh5-f3+ Kc6-c7) -266.19/24 7} 19. h5 {(h4-h5 Bc4-g8 h5-h6
Ke5-d6 Bg4-f3 Bg8-a2 h6-h7 Kd6-e7 h7-h8Q Ke7-d7 Bf3-e4 Ba2-g8 Qh8xg8 Kd7-c7
Ke3-f2 Kc7-b6 Kf2-e2 Kb6-b5 g5-g6 Kb5-b4) +8.17/26 26} Bg8 {(Bc4-g8 Ke3-f3
Bg8-d5+ Kf3-g3 Bd5-e4 h5-h6 Be4-b1 Bg4-h5 Bb1-e4 Bh5-f7 Be4-c2 Kg3-g4
Bc2-d1+ Kg4-h4 Bd1-c2 Kh4-g3 Bc2-d3 Kg3-f3 Bd3-e4+ Kf3-e3 Be4-f5 Bf7-h5
Ke5-e6 Ke3-f4 Bf5-d3 Bh5-f3 Ke6-f7 Bf3-d5+ Kf7-f8 Kf4-e5 Bd3-c2 Ke5-f6
Kf8-e8 Bd5-f7+ Ke8-d8 g5-g6 Kd8-d7 h6-h7 Bc2-d1 Bf7-e6+ Kd7-c6 h7-h8Q
Bd1-c2 Qh8-h2 Bc2-a4) -19.90/23 8} 20. h6 {(h5-h6 Bg8-h7 Bg4-d7 Bh7-g8
Bd7-e8 Ke5-f5 Be8-f7 Kf5xg5 Ke3-e4 Bg8xf7 h6-h7 Bf7-g6+ Ke4-e3) +9.44/25
22} Bh7 {(Bg8-h7 Bg4-d7 Bh7-g6 Bd7-e8 Bg6-c2 Be8-b5 Bc2-b3 h6-h7 Ke5-d5
Bb5-d7 Kd5-c5 h7-h8Q Kc5-d6 Bd7-f5 Kd6-e7 g5-g6 Ke7-d6 Ke3-f4 Bb3-a2
Qh8-e5+ Kd6-c6 Bf5-e4+ Kc6-b6 Qe5-b2+ Kb6-c5 Qb2xa2 Kc5-b5 g6-g7 Kb5-c5
g7-g8Q Kc5-b6 Qa2-c4 Kb6-a7) -275.36/23 18} 21. Bd7 {(Bg4-d7 Bh7-g8 Bd7-e8
Ke5-f5 g5-g6 Kf5-f6 Be8-f7 Bg8xf7 h6-h7 Kf6-e6 h7-h8Q Ke6-d5) +10.55/25 40}
Bg8 {(Bh7-g8 g5-g6 Ke5-f6 Bd7-f5 Bg8-f7 g6xf7 Kf6xf7 Bf5-h7 Kf7-f6 Ke3-f4
Kf6-e6 Kf4-g4 Ke6-f6 Kg4-h5 Kf6-e5 Kh5-g5 Ke5-d6 Bh7-g6 Kd6-c5 h6-h7 Kc5-c4
Bg6-e8 Kc4-c5 h7-h8Q Kc5-b6 Kg5-f4 Kb6-b7 Qh8-c3 Kb7-a8 Qc3-c6+ Ka8-b8)
-265.22/23 27} 22. Kf3 {(Ke3-f3 Bg8-h7 Kf3-g4 Bh7-e4 Kg4-h5 Ke5-d6 g5-g6
Kd6xd7 h6-h7 Kd7-d6 h7-h8Q Be4xg6+ Kh5xg6 Kd6-e6) +12.64/22 13} Bd5+
{(Bg8-d5+ Kf3-e3 Ke5-d6 Bd7-g4 Bd5-g8 g5-g6 Bg8-d5 h6-h7 Kd6-c5 Ke3-f4
Kc5-b4 h7-h8Q Bd5-c4 Bg4-f5 Bc4-g8 Qh8-e5 Bg8-c4 Qe5-d4 Kb4-b3 Bf5-e4
Bc4-e2 g6-g7 Be2-c4 Be4-d5 Bc4xd5 Qd4xd5+ Kb3-b2 Kf4-e5 Kb2-c3 g7-g8Q
Kc3-c2 Qd5-a2+ Kc2-c1 Qg8-g1+) -M17/22 67} 23. Kg4 {(Kf3-g4 Bd5-e4 Kg4-h5
Ke5-d6 g5-g6 Be4xg6+ Kh5xg6 Kd6xd7 h6-h7 Kd7-e6 h7-h8Q Ke6-d5 Kg6-f5 Kd5-c4
Kf5-e4 Kc4-b3 Qh8-d4 Kb3-c2 Qd4-c4+ Kc2-b2 Ke4-d5 Kb2-a3 Qc4-c3+) +12.83/23
19} Be4 {(Bd5-e4 Bd7-e8 Be4-d3 Kg4-h5 Ke5-e6 Be8-g6 Bd3-e2+ Kh5-h4 Ke6-d6
h6-h7 Be2-b5 h7-h8Q Bb5-d7 Qh8-d4+ Kd6-c7 Bg6-e4 Kc7-c8 Qd4-h8+ Kc8-c7
Qh8-e5+ Kc7-d8 Be4-f5 Bd7xf5 Qe5xf5 Kd8-c7 Qf5-e4 Kc7-d7 g5-g6 Kd7-c7 g6-g7
Kc7-d6) -271.03/22 50} 24. Kh5 {(Kg4-h5 Ke5-d6 g5-g6 Be4xg6+ Kh5xg6 Kd6xd7
h6-h7 Kd7-e6 h7-h8Q Ke6-d5 Kg6-f5 Kd5-c4 Kf5-e4 Kc4-c5 Qh8-d4+ Kc5-c6
Qd4-c4+ Kc6-d6 Qc4-d5+ Kd6-c7 Qd5-c5+ Kc7-b8 Qc5-c6 Kb8-a7) +13.23/22 20}
Kd6 {(Ke5-d6 g5-g6 Kd6xd7 h6-h7 Kd7-e6 h7-h8Q Ke6-f5 Qh8-d4 Be4-f3+ Kh5-h6
Bf3-h5 Qd4-c5+ Kf5-e4 Kh6xh5 Ke4-d3 Qc5-b6 Kd3-c3 Qb6-c7+ Kc3-d2 g6-g7
Kd2-d3 g7-g8Q) -271.03/23 32 Black resigns} *[/pgn]
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How many engine above 3000 failed to select 3....Bh3!

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[Moderation] Since there already was an active thread discussing this position, I merged this posting and its responses with that. Please do not create multiple discussions on the same topic.
How many engines above 3000 failed to select the correct Bishop Sacrifice 1.....Bh3! without using EGTB, In order to Draw
[fen]8/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/6PP/5K2 b - - 0 1 [/fen]
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Re: How many engine above 3000 select the correct move

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:24 pm How many engines above 3000 failed to select the correct Bishop Sacrifice 1.....Bh3! without using EGTB, In order to Draw
[fen]8/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/6PP/5K2 b - - 0 1 [/fen]
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Chessqueen"]
[Black "Spike 1.4"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3012"]
[Time "14:45:57"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[TimeControl "180+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/6PP/5K2 b - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "5"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. ... Bh3 2. Kf2 Bxg2 3. Be2 Kf4 *[/pgn]
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Re: How many engine above 3000 failed to select 3....Bh3!

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So far I have not found too many engines that select the wrong move, which tell me why some engine are overrated when they use 6-pieces EGTB, but without EGTB they would perform probably probably 100 Elo lower than some old engine like Spike 1.4 . Conclusion Spike 1.4 can win this game easy against Berserk with White both engines without using EGTB :roll:
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Chessqueen"]
[Black "Berserk-9-x64-avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3440"]
[Time "14:56:34"]
[WhiteElo "3440"]
[TimeControl "180+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/6PP/5K2 b - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "3"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. ... Bd7 2. Kf2 Kf4 *[/pgn]
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Re: How many engine above 3000 failed to select 3....Bh3!

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:24 pm How many engines above 3000 failed to select the correct Bishop Sacrifice 1.....Bh3! without using EGTB, In order to Draw
[fen]8/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/6PP/5K2 b - - 0 1 [/fen]
Lc0 finds ...Bh3 easily.
  • FEN: 8/8/8/6k1/8/5B1b/6PP/5K2 w - - 1 2

    Lc0:
    1/2 00:00 2 250 -0.78 Bf5-h3 g2xh3
    2/3 00:00 3 214 -0.33 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6
    2/4 00:00 4 200 -0.21 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4
    3/5 00:00 10 400 -0.09 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7
    3/6 00:00 40 769 -0.02 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-h6 h3-h4 Kh6-g7 h4-h5
    4/6 00:00 58 794 -0.01 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5
    4/7 00:00 64 810 -0.01 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-f6 h3-h4 Kf6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8
    5/7 00:00 359 3k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8
    5/8 00:00 688 3k -0.01 Bf5-h3 Bf3-e2 Bh3xg2+ Kf1xg2 Kg5-f6 Kg2-g3 Kf6-g7 Kg3-h4
    6/8 00:00 2k 4k -0.02 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8
    6/9 00:00 4k 6k -0.02 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-h6 h4-h5 Kh6-g7 h5-h6+
    6/10 00:01 13k 8k -0.01 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h7 Bf3-e4+
    7/10 00:01 16k 9k -0.01 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h7 Bf3-e4+
    7/11 00:02 21k 9k -0.01 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h7 Bf3-e4+
    7/12 00:06 90k 14k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h7 Bf3-e4+ Kh7-h8
    7/13 00:06 92k 15k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h7 Bf3-e4+ Kh7-h8
    8/13 00:08 136k 17k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h7 Bf3-e4+ Kh7-h8
    8/14 00:08 156k 17k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+
    8/16 00:10 194k 19k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+
    8/16 00:15 348k 23k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 Bf3-e4 Kh8-g7 Kf1-g2
    8/16 00:20 533k 26k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+
    8/18 00:37 1,311k 35k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+
    9/18 00:41 1,539k 37k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+
    9/18 00:46 1,823k 39k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+
    9/18 00:51 2,123k 41k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+
    9/18 00:56 2,437k 43k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 Bf3-e4 Kh8-g7 Kf1-g2
    9/18 01:06 3,128k 47k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 Bf3-e4 Kh8-g7 Kf1-g2
    9/18 01:11 3,496k 49k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+ Kh7-h8
    9/18 01:17 3,969k 51k 0.00 Bf5-h3 g2xh3 Kg5-g6 h3-h4 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Kg7-h8 h5-h6 Kh8-h7 Bf3-e4+ Kh7-h8
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Re: How many engine above 3000 failed to select 3....Bh3!

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I started 1000 games Spike 1.4 Vs Berserk-9 without using any EGTB, since I believe that Berserk is overrated due to using 6 pieces EGTB
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Spike 1.4"]
[Black "Berserk-9-x64-avx2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "3470"]
[Time "14:56:34"]
[WhiteElo "3412"]
[TimeControl "180+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/6PP/5K2 b - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "41"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. ... Bd7 2. Kf2 Kf4 3. g3+ {(g2-g3+ Kf4-e5 h2-h4 Ke5-f6 Kf2-e3 Kf6-f5
Bf3-h5 Bd7-e6 g3-g4+ Kf5-e5 g4-g5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Be6-d5+ Kf3-g3 Bd5-b7
Bh5-g4+ Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Bb7-a6 h5-h6 Ba6-d3 Bg4-h5 Bd3-f5 g5-g6 Ke5-f6 g6-g7
Bf5-h7 Kg3-g4 Bh7-g8 Kg4-f4 Bg8-b3 Bh5-e8 Bb3-f7 Kf4-g4 Bf7-g8 Kg4-h5
Bg8-f7+ Be8xf7 Kf6xf7 Kh5-g5 Kf7-g8 Kg5-f6) +5.69/26 6} Kf5 {(Kf4-f5 h2-h4
Bd7-e6 Kf2-e3 Kf5-g6 Ke3-f4 Be6-d7 Bf3-g4 Bd7-a4 Bg4-e6 Kg6-g7 g3-g4 Kg7-g6
Be6-d5 Kg6-h6 Bd5-f3 Kh6-g6 g4-g5 Kg6-g7 h4-h5 Ba4-e8 Kf4-f5 Be8-d7+ Kf5-e5
Bd7-e8 Bf3-e2 Be8-c6 Be2-d3 Bc6-f3 h5-h6+ Kg7-h8 Bd3-c4 Bf3-a8 g5-g6)
-3.90/31 35} 4. h4 {(h2-h4 Kf5-f6 Bf3-e2 Bd7-e6 Kf2-e3 Kf6-e5 Be2-h5 Be6-f5
Bh5-e8 Bf5-h7 g3-g4 Bh7-f5 g4-g5 Bf5-h7 h4-h5 Ke5-f5 g5-g6 Kf5-f6 Ke3-f4
Bh7-g8 h5-h6 Bg8-c4 g6-g7 Bc4-a2 Kf4-g4 Ba2-d5 Kg4-h4 Bd5-g8 Kh4-h5 Bg8-b3
Be8-g6 Bb3-e6 Bg6-d3 Be6-f7+ Kh5-g4 Bf7-g8 Kg4-f4 Bg8-f7 Bd3-e4 Bf7-c4
Be4-h7 Bc4-d5 Bh7-f5 Bd5-g8 Bf5-e4 Bg8-b3 Be4-h7 Bb3-c4 Bh7-e4 Bc4-g8
Be4-f5 Bg8-d5 Bf5-e4 Bd5-c4) +5.99/27 4} Ke5 {(Kf5-e5 Bf3-d1 Bd7-c6 Kf2-e3
Bc6-d7 Ke3-f3 Bd7-f5 Bd1-b3 Bf5-e4+ Kf3-g4 Ke5-f6 Kg4-f4 Be4-f5 Bb3-d1
Bf5-c8 Bd1-e2 Kf6-e7 Be2-g4 Bc8-b7 Bg4-h5 Bb7-c8 Bh5-g6 Bc8-e6 Kf4-g5
Ke7-f8 Bg6-f5 Be6-c4 Kg5-f6 Bc4-e2 Bf5-e6 Be2-h5 Be6-d5 Kf8-e8) -4.07/28 3}
5. Ke3 {(Kf2-e3 Bd7-e6 Bf3-h5 Be6-f5 Bh5-e8 Ke5-f6 Ke3-f4 Bf5-c8 Be8-h5
Kf6-g7 Bh5-g4 Bc8-b7 Bg4-e6 Kg7-f6 Be6-d7 Kf6-e7 Bd7-f5 Ke7-d6 h4-h5 Kd6-e7
g3-g4 Bb7-c6 Bf5-d3 Bc6-d5 h5-h6 Ke7-f8 Kf4-e5 Bd5-h1 g4-g5 Kf8-g8 g5-g6
Bh1-f3 h6-h7+ Kg8-g7) +6.25/29 5} Ba4 {(Bd7-a4 g3-g4 Ba4-d7 g4-g5 Ke5-f5
Bf3-e4+ Kf5-g4 g5-g6 Bd7-e6 Ke3-d4 Be6-b3 Kd4-e5 Kg4xh4 g6-g7 Bb3-g8 Ke5-f6
Kh4-h5 Be4-f5 Kh5-h4 Bf5-g6 Kh4-g4 Kf6-e7 Kg4-f4 Ke7-f8 Bg8-d5 Bg6-f7
Bd5-f3 g7-g8Q Bf3-c6 Kf8-e7 Kf4-e3 Ke7-f6 Ke3-d2 Kf6-g5 Bc6-d7 Kg5-f4
Kd2-c1) -9.78/31 55} 6. Bh5 {(Bf3-h5 Ba4-c2 Bh5-e2 Bc2-a4 g3-g4 Ba4-e8
g4-g5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Be8-h5+ Kf3-f2 Bh5-g6 Kf2-g3 Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Bg6-c2 Be2-g4
Bc2-h7 h5-h6 Bh7-g8 Bg4-h5 Ke5-f5 Kg3-h4 Bg8-h7 Bh5-e8 Kf5-e4 Kh4-h5 Ke4-f5
Be8-d7+ Kf5-f4 g5-g6) +6.37/33 7} Bb3 {(Ba4-b3 Bh5-e2 Bb3-e6 Be2-d1 Ke5-f6
Ke3-f4 Kf6-e7 Kf4-g5 Ke7-f7 Bd1-e2) -3.40/23 2} 7. Be8 {(Bh5-e8 Bb3-g8
Be8-d7 Bg8-a2 g3-g4 Ba2-f7 g4-g5 Bf7-h5 Bd7-b5 Bh5-f7 Bb5-e2 Bf7-e6 Ke3-f3
Be6-f5 h4-h5 Bf5-h7 Kf3-g3 Ke5-f5 Kg3-h4 Kf5-e6 Be2-c4+ Ke6-e7 Kh4-g3
Bh7-c2 h5-h6 Ke7-f8 Kg3-f4 Bc2-h7 Bc4-e6 Kf8-e8 Be6-f5 Bh7xf5 Kf4xf5)
+6.46/27 4} Kf5 {(Ke5-f5 Be8-d7+ Kf5-e5 Bd7-g4 Bb3-a4 Bg4-f3 Ba4-b3 Bf3-e2
Bb3-e6 Ke3-f3 Ke5-d4 Kf3-f4 Kd4-c3 h4-h5 Kc3-b2 g3-g4 Kb2-c1 Be2-f3 Be6-f7
g4-g5 Bf7-b3 h5-h6 Bb3-e6) -9.16/29 36} 8. Bd7+ {(Be8-d7+ Kf5-e5 g3-g4
Bb3-f7 g4-g5 Bf7-h5 Bd7-b5 Bh5-f7 Bb5-e2 Bf7-e6 Be2-h5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3
Be6-d5+ Kf3-g3 Bd5-b7 Bh5-g4+ Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Bb7-e4 h5-h6 Be4-c2 Bg4-h5
Bc2-f5 Bh5-f7 Bf5-c2 Bf7-g8 Bc2-e4 h6-h7 Be4xh7 Bg8xh7 Ke5-d4 Kg3-g4 Kd4-e5
Bh7-d3 Ke5-d4 g5-g6) +7.68/29 6} Ke5 {(Kf5-e5 Bd7-e8 Ke5-f6 Ke3-f4 Bb3-e6
g3-g4 Kf6-e7) -2.66/22 1} 9. g4 {(g3-g4 Bb3-f7 g4-g5 Bf7-h5 Bd7-b5 Bh5-f7
Bb5-e2 Bf7-e6 Be2-h5 Be6-f5 Bh5-f7 Bf5-c2 Bf7-c4 Bc2-g6 Bc4-e2 Bg6-e8
Be2-g4 Be8-f7 h4-h5 Bf7-d5 h5-h6 Bd5-g8 Bg4-c8 Bg8-h7 Bc8-d7 Bh7-g6 Bd7-e8
Bg6-c2 Be8-h5 Ke5-e6 Bh5-f3 Ke6-e5 Bf3-e2 Bc2-g6 Be2-d3 Bg6xd3 Ke3xd3
Ke5-f5 h6-h7) +8.51/27 5} Bd1 {(Bb3-d1 g4-g5 Bd1-h5 Bd7-c8 Bh5-d1 Bc8-a6
Bd1-h5 Ba6-d3 Bh5-f7 Ke3-f3 Bf7-h5+ Kf3-g3 Ke5-e6 Kg3-f4) -2.04/21 1} 10.
g5 {(g4-g5 Bd1-h5 Bd7-b5 Bh5-f7 Bb5-e2 Bf7-e6 Be2-h5 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Be6-d5+
Kf3-g3 Bd5-b3 Bh5-g4+ Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Bb3-g8 h5-h6 Bg8-h7 Bg4-d7 Ke5-d6 Bd7-b5
Kd6-e7 Kg3-f4 Bh7-g6 Bb5-c4 Ke7-f8 Bc4-e6 Bg6-d3 Be6-f5 Bd3-c4 Kf4-e5
Bc4-f7 Ke5-f6 Bf7-g6 Kf6xg6 Kf8-g8 Kg6-f6 Kg8-f8 h6-h7) +9.77/26 5} Bh5
{(Bd1-h5 Bd7-c8 Bh5-d1 Bc8-a6 Bd1-h5 Ba6-d3 Bh5-e8 Ke3-f3 Be8-h5+ Kf3-g3
Ke5-e6 Kg3-f4 Ke6-f7 Bd3-e4 Bh5-e2 Kf4-e3 Be2-d1 Be4-f3 Bd1-a4 h4-h5 Kf7-e6
h5-h6 Ke6-f7 Bf3-d5+ Kf7-e7) -3.91/25 6} 11. Bb5 {(Bd7-b5 Bh5-f7 Bb5-d3
Bf7-e8 Bd3-e2 Ke5-f5 Ke3-f3 Kf5-e5 Kf3-g3 Be8-g6 h4-h5 Bg6-e4 Be2-g4 Be4-c2
h5-h6 Bc2-h7 Bg4-d7 Ke5-e4 Bd7-e8 Ke4-f5 Kg3-h4 Bh7-g8 g5-g6 Kf5-f6 Be8-f7
Bg8xf7 h6-h7 Kf6xg6 h7-h8Q Kg6-f5 Qh8-h7+ Kf5-f6 Qh7-e4 Bf7-e6 Qe4-f4+
Kf6-e7 Kh4-g5 Be6-c8 Qf4-d4 Bc8-d7 Qd4-a7 Ke7-e6) +18.81/26 5} Kf5 {(Ke5-f5
Bb5-e2 Bh5-f7 Ke3-d4 Kf5-f4 Kd4-c5 Kf4-e5 Kc5-c6 Bf7-e6 Kc6-c7 Be6-f5
Kc7-d8 Ke5-e6 Kd8-e8 Bf5-e4 Ke8-f8 Ke6-d7 Be2-h5 Kd7-d8 g5-g6 Be4-d3 g6-g7
Bd3-e4 Bh5-f7 Kd8-c7 Kf8-e7 Be4-h7 Ke7-f6 Bh7-c2 g7-g8Q Bc2-e4 Qg8-g1
Be4-a8 Bf7-g6 Ba8-c6 h4-h5 Kc7-c8 h5-h6) -16.87/26 29} 12. Be2 {(Bb5-e2
Bh5-f7 Ke3-f3 Bf7-e8 Kf3-g3 Be8-f7 Be2-g4+ Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Bf7-g8 h5-h6 Bg8-h7
Bg4-d7 Bh7-b1 Bd7-b5 Ke5-e6 Kg3-f4 Ke6-d6 Bb5-c4 Bb1-h7 Bc4-a2 Kd6-d7
Ba2-g8 Bh7xg8 g5-g6 Bg8-b3 h6-h7 Bb3-c2 h7-h8Q Bc2xg6 Qh8-g7+ Kd7-c6
Qg7xg6+ Kc6-b5) +21.55/27 6} Be8 {(Bh5-e8 Ke3-d4 Be8-f7 Kd4-c5 Kf5-e5
Kc5-c6 Bf7-e8+ Kc6-c7 Ke5-e6 Kc7-d8 Be8-c6 Be2-c4+ Ke6-e5 Kd8-e7 Ke5-d4
Bc4-e2 Kd4-c3 g5-g6 Kc3-c2 Ke7-f6 Bc6-a4 Be2-h5 Kc2-b2 g6-g7 Ba4-b3 Bh5-f7
Bb3-c2 g7-g8Q Bc2-e4 h4-h5 Kb2-c3 h5-h6 Kc3-b4 h6-h7 Kb4-a5 h7-h8Q Ka5-a4
Qg8-g1 Be4-b7) -24.24/25 16} 13. Kf3 {(Ke3-f3 Be8-a4 Kf3-g3 Ba4-c2 Be2-g4+
Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Bc2-h7 h5-h6 Ke5-d6 Bg4-h5 Kd6-e7 g5-g6 Bh7xg6 Bh5xg6 Ke7-f8
Bg6-h7 Kf8-e7 Kg3-f4 Ke7-f6 Kf4-g4 Kf6-e7 Bh7-g8 Ke7-f6 Kg4-h5 Kf6-e5 h6-h7
Ke5-d6 h7-h8Q Kd6-c5 Kh5-g5 Kc5-b4) +24.17/25 4} Bh5+ {(Be8-h5+ Kf3-e3
Bh5-e8 Ke3-d4 Be8-f7 Kd4-c5 Kf5-e5 Kc5-c6 Bf7-e6) -2.51/25 7} 14. Kf2
{(Kf3-f2 Bh5-g6 Kf2-g3 Bg6-f7 Be2-g4+ Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Bf7-c4 h5-h6 Bc4-g8
Bg4-d7 Bg8-h7 Bd7-e8 Ke5-f5 Kg3-h4 Bh7-g8 Be8-a4 Kf5-e5 Ba4-c2 Ke5-d4 h6-h7
Bg8xh7 Bc2xh7 Kd4-c5 g5-g6 Kc5-b5 g6-g7 Kb5-a6 g7-g8Q Ka6-b5 Kh4-g5 Kb5-c5
Kg5-f5 Kc5-b4 Kf5-f4 Kb4-c5 Kf4-e5 Kc5-b4 Ke5-d4 Kb4-b5) +23.59/24 6} Bf7
{(Bh5-f7) -207.62/24 8} 15. Kg3 {(Kf2-g3 Bf7-e8 Be2-g4+ Kf5-e5 h4-h5 Ke5-e4
h5-h6 Be8-g6 Kg3-h4 Ke4-e5 Bg4-h5 Bg6-c2 Kh4-g3 Bc2-d3 Bh5-f7 Bd3-c2 Bf7-g8
Ke5-d4 h6-h7 Bc2xh7 Bg8xh7 Kd4-e5 Kg3-g4 Ke5-d6 g5-g6 Kd6-e6 g6-g7 Ke6-e7
Kg4-h5 Ke7-f7 g7-g8Q+ Kf7-e7 Qg8-d5 Ke7-f6 Qd5-d6+ Kf6-f7) +25.33/30 5} Be8
{(Bf7-e8 Be2-d3+ Kf5-e6 Kg3-g4 Be8-c6 g5-g6 Bc6-d5 Kg4-g5 Ke6-e5 h4-h5
Bd5-g8 Bd3-e2 Ke5-d6 h5-h6 Kd6-c7 Be2-d3 Kc7-b7 Kg5-f6 Bg8-a2 h6-h7 Kb7-a8
h7-h8Q+ Ka8-a7 g6-g7 Ka7-b7) -19.91/18 0} 16. Bg4+ {(Be2-g4+ Kf5-e4 h4-h5
Be8-f7 h5-h6 Bf7-g6 Bg4-e2 Ke4-e5 Be2-h5 Bg6-e4 Bh5-f7 Be4-c2 Bf7-g8 Ke5-d4
h6-h7 Bc2xh7 Bg8xh7 Kd4-e5 Bh7-g6 Ke5-d4 Bg6-h5 Kd4-d5 g5-g6 Kd5-c4 g6-g7
Kc4-c3 g7-g8Q Kc3-b2 Qg8-h8+ Kb2-c2 Kg3-f4 Kc2-b3 Qh8-g8+ Kb3-c2 Kf4-e4
Kc2-b2 Ke4-e5 Kb2-a3) +25.33/21 5} Ke5 {(Kf5-e5 Bg4-d1 Ke5-f5 Bd1-e2 Be8-f7
Be2-d3+ Kf5-e5 Kg3-g4 Ke5-d4 g5-g6 Bf7-b3 Kg4-g5 Kd4xd3 h4-h5 Bb3-c2 h5-h6
Kd3-c4 h6-h7 Kc4-b4 Kg5-f6 Kb4-b3 Kf6-f7 Kb3-b2 h7-h8Q+ Kb2-b3 g6-g7 Kb3-b2
g7-g8Q+ Kb2-b1 Kf7-f6) -17.14/21 1} 17. h5 {(h4-h5 Ke5-e4 h5-h6 Be8-g6
Bg4-d1 Ke4-f5 Kg3-h4 Kf5-e6 Bd1-g4+ Ke6-e5 Bg4-h5 Bg6-c2 Kh4-g3 Bc2-f5
Bh5-f7 Bf5-c2 Bf7-g8 Ke5-d4 Kg3-f4 Kd4-c5 Bg8-e6 Bc2-h7 Be6-f5 Bh7-g8 g5-g6
Kc5-b4 h6-h7 Bg8-c4 h7-h8Q Kb4-b3 g6-g7 Bc4-d5 Qh8-b8+ Kb3-c3 Kf4-e5
Bd5-b3) +26.74/23 16} Ba4 {(Be8-a4 Bg4-e2 Ke5-f5 h5-h6 Kf5-g6 Be2-d3+
Kg6-f7 Kg3-f4 Ba4-b3 Kf4-e5 Kf7-f8 Bd3-f5 Bb3-c4 Ke5-f6 Kf8-e8 h6-h7 Ke8-d8
g5-g6 Kd8-c7 g6-g7 Kc7-d6 g7-g8Q Bc4-f1 h7-h8Q Kd6-c5 Qg8-g1+ Kc5-c6)
-275.31/19 0} 18. h6 {(h5-h6 Ba4-c2 Bg4-h5 Bc2-f5 Bh5-f7 Bf5-c2 Bf7-g8
Bc2-g6 h6-h7 Bg6xh7 Bg8xh7 Ke5-e6 Bh7-d3 Ke6-f7 Bd3-e2 Kf7-g7 Be2-h5 Kg7-f8
Kg3-f4 Kf8-e7 Kf4-e5 Ke7-d7 g5-g6 Kd7-c7 g6-g7 Kc7-c6 g7-g8Q Kc6-b5 Qg8-b3+
Kb5-a5 Ke5-d6 Ka5-a6 Kd6-c6) +25.52/20 4} Bc2 {(Ba4-c2 Bg4-e2 Bc2-h7)
-275.36/16 1} 19. Bh5 {(Bg4-h5 Bc2-f5 Bh5-f7 Bf5-c2 Bf7-g8 Bc2-g6 h6-h7
Bg6xh7 Bg8xh7 Ke5-e6 Bh7-g6 Ke6-e7 Bg6-h5 Ke7-f8 Kg3-f4 Kf8-e7 Kf4-e3
Ke7-d6 g5-g6 Kd6-e7 g6-g7 Ke7-f6 g7-g8Q Kf6-e5 Qg8-c8 Ke5-f6 Ke3-f4 Kf6-g7
Kf4-g5 Kg7-h7 Bh5-f7) +25.72/26 5} Bh7 {(Bc2-h7 g5-g6 Bh7-g8 h6-h7 Bg8-c4
h7-h8Q+ Ke5-e4 Bh5-e2 Bc4-e6 Kg3-h4 Be6-h3 Kh4xh3 Ke4-f4 Be2-h5 Kf4-e3
Kh3-g3 Ke3-d2 Kg3-f4 Kd2-e1 Bh5-g4 Ke1-f2 g6-g7 Kf2-f1 g7-g8Q) -275.35/18
3} 20. g6 {(g5-g6 Bh7-g8 h6-h7 Bg8-e6 h7-h8Q+ Ke5-e4 g6-g7 Ke4-d3 Qh8-b8
Kd3-c4 Qb8-f4+ Kc4-d5 Bh5-f3+ Kd5-c5 Qf4-e5+ Kc5-c4 Qe5xe6+ Kc4-b4 Qe6-b6+
Kb4-c3 g7-g8Q Kc3-d2 Qb6-b3 Kd2-c1 Qg8-g5+) +M13/16 4} Bg8 {(Bh7-g8 h6-h7
Bg8-c4 h7-h8Q+ Ke5-d5 g6-g7 Kd5-c6 Qh8-c8+ Kc6-b5 Bh5-e2 Kb5-b6 Be2xc4
Kb6-a5 Bc4-d5 Ka5-a4 g7-g8Q Ka4-b5 Qc8-c4+ Kb5-b6 Qg8-d8+ Kb6-a7)
-275.35/19 3} 21. h7 {(h6-h7 Bg8-c4 h7-h8Q+ Ke5-e4 g6-g7 Bc4-e6 Qh8-d8
Ke4-e5 Qd8-e7 Ke5-d5 Bh5-f3+ Kd5-c4 Qe7xe6+ Kc4-b4 Qe6-b6+ Kb4-c3 g7-g8Q
Kc3-d2 Qb6-b3 Kd2-c1 Qg8-g5+) +M11/20 4} Be6 {(Bg8-e6 h7-h8Q+ Ke5-d6 Kg3-f4
Kd6-c6 Bh5-g4 Be6-d5 Bg4-f3 Bd5-e4 Bf3xe4+ Kc6-c5 g6-g7 Kc5-b4 g7-g8Q
Kb4-c5 Qh8-e5+ Kc5-b6 Qg8-b3+ Kb6-a7 Qe5-a1+) -M10/22 1 Black resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: How many engine above 3000 failed to select 3....Bh3!

Post by Uri Blass »

Chessqueen wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:55 pm So far I have not found too many engines that select the wrong move, which tell me why some engine are overrated when they use 6-pieces EGTB, but without EGTB they would perform probably probably 100 Elo lower than some old engine like Spike 1.4 . Conclusion Spike 1.4 can win this game easy against Berserk with White both engines without using EGTB :roll:
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Chessqueen"]
[Black "Berserk-9-x64-avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3440"]
[Time "14:56:34"]
[WhiteElo "3440"]
[TimeControl "180+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/8/5bk1/8/5B2/6PP/5K2 b - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "3"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. ... Bd7 2. Kf2 Kf4 *[/pgn]
I believe that you are clearly wrong here assuming you test normal games and not this specific position.

The value of EGTB for normal games is not big even for engines without endgame knowledge.
Berserk9 has a clear bug that earlier Berserk does not have but inspite of the bug I believe that berserk9 is stronger than previous version.
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Re: How many engine above 3000 failed to select 3....Bh3!

Post by Chessqueen »

You are correct Uri positions similar to this one might occur only once in 10,000 games, by the way how does Mivei play out this position as Black?
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Re: How many engine above 3000 failed to select 3....Bh3!

Post by RubiChess »

Aside from chessqueen drawing the wrong conclusions from this special position about general strength I must admit that I found this post (well, meanwhile at least three different threads full of these posts) useful and will finally implement correct KBPvK endgame evaluation in Rubi. Which is one of the engines that doesn't find Bh3.

Andreas