AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - Benchmarks

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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - Benchmarks

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M ANSARI wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:40 pmthe problem is using only air then to dissipate a CPU churning at 95c
The temperature is completely irrelevant.
will mean you have to have fans that sound like a mini vacuum cleaner.
No, you don't. If you set the 7950X to 142W PPT, a large air cooler like Noctua NH-D15 should bring the temp down to way below 95°C because it can dissipate the thermal load that effectively, as demonstrated in all the tests with 3950X and 5950X.
With water you can really bring down the sound level.
No, you cannot, at least not with your intended usage of very long analysis where all the thermal mass of the water will heat up. The water doesn't cool, it only transfers the heat to the radiator where it is cooled into air, and using fans. Noise normalised on e.g. a 3950X, at 360mm AIO isn't far ahead of a Noctua NH-D15, and both keep it under 60°C easily.

Here is one such roundup test for the 3950X (with and without overclocking):

The main question here is whether the CPU integrated heat spreader (IHS, the metal cover) hinders heat dissipation disproportionately on the 7950X, compared to Ryzen 3000/5000. One hint at that are the delidding experiments on Ryzen 7000 by der8auer where he got a crazy 20K temp reduction from delidding, and that although the IHS was soldered as it should be. Maybe the IHS is actually too thick so that AMD has vertical spare room for the future 3D cache. That could become a cooling problem indeed.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - Benchmarks

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M ANSARI wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:09 pm II recently purchased an M2 Apple Macbook Pro and was just floored with how incredibly fast it did video editing ... and the laptop did not even get warm and even with heavy editing of my GoPro videos the battery life of the laptop is incredible.
For that specific workload yes, performance is incredible on the M1. From what I've read it is highly optimised for those sorts of tasks, and the software is highly optimised for the CPU. If that is your main jse-case, it is a no-brainer. For everything else, chess included, it is a decent efficient CPU but not a world-beater. And it is probably running at 95C during your video editing work and possibly throttling along the way to save itself.
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Modern Times wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:55 pm
M ANSARI wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:09 pm II recently purchased an M2 Apple Macbook Pro and was just floored with how incredibly fast it did video editing ... and the laptop did not even get warm and even with heavy editing of my GoPro videos the battery life of the laptop is incredible.
For that specific workload yes, performance is incredible on the M1. From what I've read it is highly optimised for those sorts of tasks, and the software is highly optimised for the CPU. If that is your main jse-case, it is a no-brainer. For everything else, chess included, it is a decent efficient CPU but not a world-beater. And it is probably running at 95C during your video editing work and possibly throttling along the way to save itself.
Actually the Mac Pro doesn't get hot at all even when I throw some heavy 4K videos at it. My 8 core Desktop PC with 2080Ti card can't even come close to the same performance and video editing big files is a total PIA. But this little laptop is just wizzes through videos like nothing. It does start up the fan every once in a while ... but really it doesn't get anywhere near hot. I think the throttling might happen on the Mac Book Air as it doesn't have active cooling ... but the Mac Book Pro does. I was never a Mac person and I still don't like the idea that there is a learning curve for the OS ... but holy crap this thing is incredible! I actually only bought it for editing my spearfishing videos as with 4K my PC is just not doing the job.
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Werewolf wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:24 pm Performance: Big increase
Efficiency: No progress
The 7000 series is massively more efficient at the same power draw..
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My 5950x has been running at temps between 65-70 since having a better water cooling unit installed. Original was faulty.
It's been running at 80% load 24/7.

I had a couple of fans put in the top beforehand (which I was subsequently told were unnecessary), so there is some noise coming from them. Not too bad though.
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CornfedForever wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:14 am OMG:

Stockfish 9
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X
NPS: 74,940,079
NOT overclocked
Pretty freakin' cool!

Intel i9-12900K...oh, just a bit over half that.
Great !
Is this a compile with the AVX-512 instructions ?
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - Benchmarks

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Vinvin wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:20 pm
CornfedForever wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:14 am OMG:

Stockfish 9
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X
NPS: 74,940,079
NOT overclocked
Pretty freakin' cool!

Intel i9-12900K...oh, just a bit over half that.
Great !
Is this a compile with the AVX-512 instructions ?
Oops, I saw a bit late that is version 9 !
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The Zen 4 is a big gain in efficiency. From the article on Anandtech, they can be run in "ECO mode". Running at 65W TDP, the Zen 4 7950X crushes the Zen 3 5950X at 105w TDP. Simply stunning.

Cinebench
5950X 105W TDP = 25,586
7950X 65W TDP = 31,308
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Modern Times wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:28 am The Zen 4 is a big gain in efficiency. From the article on Anandtech, they can be run in "ECO mode". Running at 65W TDP, the Zen 4 7950X crushes the Zen 3 5950X at 105w TDP. Simply stunning.

Cinebench
5950X 105W TDP = 25,586
7950X 65W TDP = 31,308
Ok that is good news
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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - Benchmarks

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In my days of overclocking we did do weird stuff to try and have better CPU to heat sink heat flow. I remember meticulously polishing and flattening the heat sink to a mirror finish so that there would be maximum efficiency of heat transfer. As for water cooling ... yes of course in time the water reservoir will reach a uniform temperature ... but the surface area of the cooling is dramatically increased as you can have a very large radiator or even 2 radiatiors. I remember once using a huge water cooler reservoir that was completely passive ... not a single fan ... and it would easily keep things under control even at max CPU utilization on all cores. Can't remember the name of that cooler but I do remember that even Vas from Rybka got one of those.

I haven't built a new computer in like 10 years ... so am way behind the curve. I did upgrade my PC with a 2080 Ti card when Lc0 started showing some interesting chess. I feel it is time to make a nice new build. As you get older you tend to not accept stuff you would accept when you are younger. Sound for me is very important and am willing to sacrifice some performance for some peace and quiet!