Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann sues champion Magnus Carlsen, others for $100 million over cheating claim

[Alexander Schmidt]

If that is not very clear or more direct, then I don't know what is.

The point is, Magnus said "he believes Niemann cheated more than he admitted" what Chess.com confirms. Regarding OTB, Magnus only talks about his impressions. The justice system in my country won't convict someone for his believes or impressions. So the only question is, how will this be judged in the U.S.

I think it will backfire for Niemann. It is easy to destroy his credibility because of his cheating past. He still says he didn't cheat lately, but chess.com has some good evidence for that, at least for online cheating in tournaments with price money.

Beside that, Magnus just has to proof, that the rumors where there before the Sinquefield Cup, so he just repeated something several others say since years. That can't be defamation de jure.

[Eduard]

That is not right. Carlsen has made it clear that he believes Niemann cheated in the game against him. It's about this game. Otherwise he could have continued playing at the tournament. He resigned from the tournament for accusing Niemann of cheating in that tournament. It's all about this!

[Chessqueen]

That is not right. Carlsen has made it clear that he believes Niemann cheated in the game against him. It's about this game. Otherwise he could have continued playing at the tournament. He resigned from the tournament for accusing Niemann of cheating in that tournament. It's all about this!

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[Alexander Schmidt]

That is not right. Carlsen has made it clear that he believes Niemann cheated in the game against him. It's about this game. Otherwise he could have continued playing at the tournament. He resigned from the tournament for accusing Niemann of cheating in that tournament. It's all about this!

It's not relevant what you can read between the lines, for the court case it is relevant what he said:

"Believe that Niemann has cheated more than he admitted" -> Includes Online and is confirmed by chess.com.

"I had the impression that..."

"I don't want to play against people who repeatedly cheated in the past" -> Doesn't say anything about this one particular game or other OTB games.

Do you have any source with more concrete accusations?

[Eduard]

Defamation is blaming others without evidence. Carlsen did that. You can also be taken to court in Germany for this, and it happens.

[Damir]

A well known cheater and a fraud who want to get rich overnight...

[CornfedForever]

100 million dollars lawsuit.... Typical American bullshit... GM Hans should have a dick in his ass instead, would be more appropriate in my opinion.

Defamation and the impact on his ability to earn a living in his chosen field...is a real thing, not a joke.
Some "Slippin' Jimmy' may have written the claim, but it does seem like there may be some merit to it.

[M ANSARI]

This is hilarious ... will be funny to see how this pans out. I guess the american thing to do is sue ... that is why the US has the highest percentage of lawyers in the world. I read some of the suit and it seems like Hans Nieman himself wrote it rather than a lawyer

Magnus Carlsen: All he stated is that he believed that Hans cheated before and was cheating more recently. Hans admitted he cheated before so ... there you go. He also stated that he does not want to ever play in a tournament with Hans in it because Hans has cheated before. Guess what ... he is totally entitled to his beliefs ... no law against that ... and he has the right to not play in a tournament that has an admitted cheater as much as a parent has a right to not enroll his child to a school with an admitted pedophile as a teacher. Pretty much nothing wrong there!

Hikaru: Well he basically was going through whatever drama was going online and was giving his opinion on the scandal. Again ... he is entitled to his own opinion and he can say some items are "sus" if he thinks they are "sus". Nothing that Hikaru did is against the law.

Chess.com: Well ... they are a platform that actually caught Hans cheating ... and what is worse for Hans is that they have a confession from Hans that he cheated and one golden nugget ... Hans actually stated that Chess.com has the "best" anti cheating system in the world. Lichess might get its feelings hurt and might decide to come out with what they have. I am pretty sure Hans was not only cheating on Chess.com. Personally I think if anyone should sue Chess.com it is the other cheaters on Chess.com that did not get 5 or 6 chances to get reinstated after being caught cheating.

This disgusting creep, cheater and fraud ... Mr. Hans Nieman, will get what he deserves. He might feel like the exposure is a positive thing, but I think there will be a much bigger effort to expose him and how he cheated. Most likely he had an accomplice when he cheated and the more people involved the more it is difficult to keep everybody's mouth shut. That was the undoing of Armstrong ... his close buddies finally had to come clean to cover their asses.

Looks like this drama will continue but at least one incredibly positive thing came out of this. Cheating will be taken very seriously from now on ... and attempts to cheat will have to get really sophisticated to work.

[Pedro]

This is hilarious ... will be funny to see how this pans out. I guess the american thing to do is sue ... that is why the US has the highest percentage of lawyers in the world. I read some of the suit and it seems like Hans Nieman himself wrote it rather than a lawyer

Magnus Carlsen: All he stated is that he believed that Hans cheated before and was cheating more recently. Hans admitted he cheated before so ... there you go. He also stated that he does not want to ever play in a tournament with Hans in it because Hans has cheated before. Guess what ... he is totally entitled to his beliefs ... no law against that ... and he has the right to not play in a tournament that has an admitted cheater as much as a parent has a right to not enroll his child to a school with an admitted pedophile as a teacher. Pretty much nothing wrong there!

Hikaru: Well he basically was going through whatever drama was going online and was giving his opinion on the scandal. Again ... he is entitled to his own opinion and he can say some items are "sus" if he thinks they are "sus". Nothing that Hikaru did is against the law.

Chess.com: Well ... they are a platform that actually caught Hans cheating ... and what is worse for Hans is that they have a confession from Hans that he cheated and one golden nugget ... Hans actually stated that Chess.com has the "best" anti cheating system in the world. Lichess might get its feelings hurt and might decide to come out with what they have. I am pretty sure Hans was not only cheating on Chess.com. Personally I think if anyone should sue Chess.com it is the other cheaters on Chess.com that did not get 5 or 6 chances to get reinstated after being caught cheating.

This disgusting creep, cheater and fraud ... Mr. Hans Nieman, will get what he deserves. He might feel like the exposure is a positive thing, but I think there will be a much bigger effort to expose him and how he cheated. Most likely he had an accomplice when he cheated and the more people involved the more it is difficult to keep everybody's mouth shut. That was the undoing of Armstrong ... his close buddies finally had to come clean to cover their asses.

Looks like this drama will continue but at least one incredibly positive thing came out of this. Cheating will be taken very seriously from now on ... and attempts to cheat will have to get really sophisticated to work.

Did Carlsen present any evidence that Nielman cheated in the fateful game at the St. Louis tournament? So far he hasn't shown anything. What we have so far is Carlsen crying and crying doesn't win lawsuits.

Most likely he will make some millionaire deal with Nielman to finish the lawsuit.

[mclane]

That is not right. Carlsen has made it clear that he believes Niemann cheated in the game against him. It's about this game. Otherwise he could have continued playing at the tournament. He resigned from the tournament for accusing Niemann of cheating in that tournament. It's all about this!

It's not relevant what you can read between the lines, for the court case it is relevant what he said:

"Believe that Niemann has cheated more than he admitted" -> Includes Online and is confirmed by chess.com.

"I had the impression that..."

"I don't want to play against people who repeatedly cheated in the past" -> Doesn't say anything about this one particular game or other OTB games.

Do you have any source with more concrete accusations?

Chess.com said Niemann cheated in 100 games.
The only person destroying Niemanns reputation was Niemann.

Anyway. I am not interested in human chess because it has almost ever nothing to do with chess content, instead with drama and psychopaths, narcissistic people and vendettas. These all proves me right, computer chess is about chess content while human chess is about drama.