Finally, Hikaru vs LeelaKnightOdds match!

[Father]

Hikaru Nakamura played 16 games with LeelaKnightOdds at 3'+2", winning the first game, drawing the last one and one other, and losing 13, including ten in a row! His score of 12.5% was actually much better than other top GMs against the same version; players in the World top 50 (FIDE) scored only 4% in 80 games before this, without a single win! He played only g1 odds, not b1. He only intended to play 3 games, but after losing games 2 and 3 wanted to keep playing until he got a second win, which never happened. I think he could do somewhat better with a bit of opening preparation and less talking, but he regularly wins Titled Tuesday while talking so it doesn't seem to hurt his play too much. I hope he will either try playing it in Rapid or else switch the handicap to Rook odds in blitz, which should be pretty competitive.

This video is a valuable historical document: computers have been beating humans at fast time controls for decades, but here we are shown the thoughts of a top human who is expecting to win, plays what he thinks is a series of 5 rapid games for a shortish video, and wanting to end with a win. He keeps on thinking he's messed up, so plays "one more game" not realising that he's actually being outplayed by a wide enough margin to lose even at knight odds!

I think he realized well before the halfway mark that he was a big underdog, but since he did win one game he felt he should be able to win one more. One strong GM (David Paravyan aka "Drop_Stone") played way over a hundred blitz games before finally winning one, eventually winning a few more out of hundreds. A strong GM will eventually win a game, but most don't play enough to get a single win. He has said that he still thinks he would win handily at 3'2" with rook odds, but based on results against other top GMs I think it would be a tossup.

My wooden horse "Catecan" and I were riding along the path of life! Today we stopped for a moment at a roadside inn.
Catecan drank water from the trough and ate some grass with honey. In the meantime, I drank some panela water. It was then that I was able to see the first 10 riders on the list of 100, and Catecan and I were very happy to see the great Hissha resuming his giant stride. We can barely see them from afar; we will try to catch up.

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard

Next update in: 4m 34s
# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 Arka50 2967 122 2025-05-09 1+0
2 SuperEasy 2949 360 2025-05-20 8+3
3 verystablegenius69 2872 384 2025-05-07 1+0
4 wateenellende 2824 154 2025-03-26 1+0
5 JoanFluvia 2753 583 2025-05-19 2+1
6 Former_Player 2751 288 2025-03-22 3+2
7 InvisibleGuest2023 2710 121 2025-05-19 1+0
8 Orichess88 2704 88 2025-04-03 2+3
9 Hissha 2691 116 2025-05-20 1+10
10 jflup 2690 130 2025-05-19 3+1
11 edgelorde 2685 1102 2025-05-19 1+1
12 Alex_Muezersky 2683 179 2025-04-05 1+1
13 dauANHbac 2679 74 2025-04-27 1+1
14 Phara0h1 2674 801 2025-05-19 4+0
15 smeets 2672 29 2025-04-02 2+1
16 Mikulas 2654 195 2025-05-19 3+2
17 VladimirMarkovic 2645 493 2025-05-20 1+0
18 Catecan 2637 4901 2025-05-20 1+0
19 Paulewski 2600 206 2025-05-16 5+0
20 turton 2597 174 2025-05-20 4+7
21 pozvonochek 2583 187 2025-03-13 1+0
22 jtcoach 2573 185 2025-03-22 3+2
23 pultis12 2551 259 2025-04-02 1+0
24 gotschi 2545 1171 2025-05-19 2+3
25 Oleg_Papayan 2540 153 2025-05-11 2+0
26 FinalSpot 2537 125 2025-03-29 3+2
27 VTChess 2535 1466 2025-05-20 1+1
28 arturchix 2530 38 2025-03-27 2+1
29 Andrey_Smaev_1998 2521 222 2025-04-24 7+7
30 Iron_jack 2516 290 2025-05-20 5+2
31 monkeyking123 2515 132 2025-05-04 1+0
32 eelke 2507 124 2025-04-17 1+1
33 BT_CHESS42 2492 400 2025-05-19 3+2
34 leelan1frenemy 2490 178 2025-05-19 3+1
35 davidb2 2485 127 2025-03-15 1+0
36 Omnivor 2482 30 2025-05-14 5+5
37 ITakeTrenPassant 2472 200 2025-03-27 3+1
38 LeafTree 2472 2789 2025-05-18 10+0
39 MiguelPetroff 2461 165 2025-05-04 3+2
40 vilius100 2442 107 2025-05-17 3+2
41 vlahi 2437 30 2025-03-30 3+0
42 shreckm8 2437 429 2025-04-04 3+0
43 AsheliaXII 2435 194 2025-05-11 15+10
44 zerture 2429 318 2025-05-16 8+3
45 quetag 2426 151 2025-05-12 6+3
46 kristie 2422 143 2025-03-28 1+0
47 Mykingislonely 2415 277 2025-04-03 2+0
48 Fumitoks 2415 1387 2025-05-19 1+0
49 tasknight 2410 469 2025-04-10 2+2
50 edgebottle 2409 1584 2025-05-11 5+5
51 Spinaltap 2408 52 2025-03-23 3+0
52 garyhat 2408 135 2025-03-27 3+0
53 cryptoenthusiast 2403 71 2025-05-14 1+1
54 resb 2393 100 2025-05-17 5+3
55 Sersemlet 2383 138 2025-02-27 3+2
56 astrozilla 2383 340 2025-04-22 3+2
57 xmyy080909 2382 301 2025-04-02 1+1
58 ioste29 2381 61 2025-03-19 3+1
59 behemothbeer 2381 508 2025-05-11 5+3
60 Dobryfen 2377 62 2025-05-16 3+2
61 CoolerMove 2377 51 2025-05-16 10+10
62 karloballa 2376 222 2025-03-30 5+2
63 Litigator94 2371 43 2025-03-08 3+2
64 White_Phoenix 2370 91 2025-03-30 5+3
65 ChessEducation 2365 145 2025-05-12 3+2
66 Switchitter 2357 127 2025-04-23 3+1
67 benkonian 2354 108 2025-03-30 1+1
68 Chillkroete77 2351 126 2025-05-15 3+2
69 slowpoke28 2347 73 2025-05-11 3+2
70 Reuseup 2347 434 2025-05-19 5+5
71 darvec112357 2342 47 2025-05-10 5+3
72 Somelier 2340 30 2025-03-18 2+2
73 nauthnim 2338 471 2025-03-31 3+2
74 dritharashtrar 2338 42 2025-03-17 3+1
75 grandmastergauri 2333 74 2025-03-23 1+1
76 Zaxar2010 2327 45 2025-04-29 5+3
77 Kelvandil 2324 84 2025-03-24 3+2
78 Dalnor 2324 522 2025-05-19 9+3
79 Chrisinc 2322 29 2025-04-14 15+10
80 Inventor_1 2319 35 2025-04-16 5+17
81 Red_Aruba 2317 145 2025-05-08 3+5
82 sergo786 2313 437 2025-04-18 5+3
83 King_Lenny 2308 393 2025-05-09 1+0
84 Srive 2303 62 2025-03-20 5+3
85 Carobee 2301 30 2025-04-10 1+2
86 CatAdams 2298 454 2025-05-19 3+2
87 so197371so 2294 263 2025-04-12 3+2
88 Finnish_wall 2294 56 2025-05-14 9+2
89 ritang 2292 428 2025-05-11 3+2
90 pressive 2291 114 2025-04-01 1+0
91 OpenningExperiments 2289 33 2025-05-15 5+3
92 Drviak1 2287 109 2025-03-22 3+2
93 Kolibriechess 2286 57 2025-05-19 10+7
94 serg4000 2283 145 2025-03-22 4+3
95 KnightVision88 2279 124 2025-05-04 3+2
96 Filippov_Anton 2276 372 2025-05-14 3+2
97 Thesphinx 2275 33 2025-05-11 10+5
98 JudahH 2275 612 2025-04-24 9+0
99 DerDickePole 2274 36 2025-04-26 5+0
100 Ajktulm 2274 157 2025-04-16 5+5

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. As I'm close to bed and tired today, I can see that LeelaQueenOdds is still very popular. I hope the robot remains very popular. Do you think the board will one day be preceded by one of the three best bullet chess players in the world? Of course, the current leaders are also excellent human players and extraordinary combatants against the robot. By the way, I just noticed that Hissha reached 2707 in Elo! Congratulations!

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard

Next update in: 9m 01s
# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 Arka50 2957 122 2025-05-09 1+0
2 SuperEasy 2932 395 2025-05-27 8+3
3 verystablegenius69 2862 384 2025-05-07 1+0
4 wateenellende 2814 154 2025-03-26 1+0
5 InvisibleGuest2023 2795 232 2025-05-26 1+0
6 VladimirMarkovic 2782 1019 2025-05-26 1+0
7 JoanFluvia 2753 615 2025-05-23 2+1
8 Former_Player 2741 288 2025-03-22 3+2
9 jflup 2716 145 2025-05-26 3+1
10 Hissha 2710 133 2025-05-27 1+10
11 edgelorde 2709 1315 2025-05-26 1+1
12 Orichess88 2694 88 2025-04-03 2+3
13 Mikulas 2679 290 2025-05-26 2+2
14 Alex_Muezersky 2673 179 2025-04-05 1+1
15 dauANHbac 2669 74 2025-04-27 1+1
16 smeets 2662 29 2025-04-02 2+1
17 Catecan 2637 5683 2025-05-27 1+0
18 Phara0h1 2636 974 2025-05-27 4+0
19 turton 2620 268 2025-05-27 4+7
20 Paulewski 2591 275 2025-05-26

[lkaufman]

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. As I'm close to bed and tired today, I can see that LeelaQueenOdds is still very popular. I hope the robot remains very popular. Do you think the board will one day be preceded by one of the three best bullet chess players in the world? Of course, the current leaders are also excellent human players and extraordinary combatants against the robot. By the way, I just noticed that Hissha reached 2707 in Elo! Congratulations!

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard

Next update in: 9m 01s
# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 Arka50 2957 122 2025-05-09 1+0
2 SuperEasy 2932 395 2025-05-27 8+3
3 verystablegenius69 2862 384 2025-05-07 1+0
4 wateenellende 2814 154 2025-03-26 1+0
5 InvisibleGuest2023 2795 232 2025-05-26 1+0
6 VladimirMarkovic 2782 1019 2025-05-26 1+0
7 JoanFluvia 2753 615 2025-05-23 2+1
8 Former_Player 2741 288 2025-03-22 3+2
9 jflup 2716 145 2025-05-26 3+1
10 Hissha 2710 133 2025-05-27 1+10
11 edgelorde 2709 1315 2025-05-26 1+1
12 Orichess88 2694 88 2025-04-03 2+3
13 Mikulas 2679 290 2025-05-26 2+2
14 Alex_Muezersky 2673 179 2025-04-05 1+1
15 dauANHbac 2669 74 2025-04-27 1+1
16 smeets 2662 29 2025-04-02 2+1
17 Catecan 2637 5683 2025-05-27 1+0
18 Phara0h1 2636 974 2025-05-27 4+0
19 turton 2620 268 2025-05-27 4+7
20 Paulewski 2591 275 2025-05-26
[/quote]

Hikaru is likely the best bullet player in the world, if he decides to play more games vs LQO he could easily top the leaderboard, especially if some proposed changes to the leaderboard calculations are adopted. My own rating is rising because I have learned how to win fairly regularly with a ten second increment; my time control is comparable to what SuperEasy (Joel Benjamin) uses, but my win percentage isn't nearly as good as his. It is likely that a new net will be used by the bot in the next week, at least for White and perhaps also for Black. I can also mention that Fabiano Caruana has now played 27 games with the bots, all as Black at 3'2". At knight odds he lost 19 and drew 2 (no wins), at rook odds he lost 3 and drew 1 (no wins), and at queen odds he won one and drew one. Yes, Leela Queen Odds drew a game at 3'2" against the player with the third highest peak rating in all chess history! Incredible.

[Father]

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. As I'm close to bed and tired today, I can see that LeelaQueenOdds is still very popular. I hope the robot remains very popular. Do you think the board will one day be preceded by one of the three best bullet chess players in the world? Of course, the current leaders are also excellent human players and extraordinary combatants against the robot. By the way, I just noticed that Hissha reached 2707 in Elo! Congratulations!

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard

Next update in: 9m 01s
# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 Arka50 2957 122 2025-05-09 1+0
2 SuperEasy 2932 395 2025-05-27 8+3
3 verystablegenius69 2862 384 2025-05-07 1+0
4 wateenellende 2814 154 2025-03-26 1+0
5 InvisibleGuest2023 2795 232 2025-05-26 1+0
6 VladimirMarkovic 2782 1019 2025-05-26 1+0
7 JoanFluvia 2753 615 2025-05-23 2+1
8 Former_Player 2741 288 2025-03-22 3+2
9 jflup 2716 145 2025-05-26 3+1
10 Hissha 2710 133 2025-05-27 1+10
11 edgelorde 2709 1315 2025-05-26 1+1
12 Orichess88 2694 88 2025-04-03 2+3
13 Mikulas 2679 290 2025-05-26 2+2
14 Alex_Muezersky 2673 179 2025-04-05 1+1
15 dauANHbac 2669 74 2025-04-27 1+1
16 smeets 2662 29 2025-04-02 2+1
17 Catecan 2637 5683 2025-05-27 1+0
18 Phara0h1 2636 974 2025-05-27 4+0
19 turton 2620 268 2025-05-27 4+7
20 Paulewski 2591 275 2025-05-26

Hikaru is likely the best bullet player in the world, if he decides to play more games vs LQO he could easily top the leaderboard, especially if some proposed changes to the leaderboard calculations are adopted. My own rating is rising because I have learned how to win fairly regularly with a ten second increment; my time control is comparable to what SuperEasy (Joel Benjamin) uses, but my win percentage isn't nearly as good as his. It is likely that a new net will be used by the bot in the next week, at least for White and perhaps also for Black. I can also mention that Fabiano Caruana has now played 27 games with the bots, all as Black at 3'2". At knight odds he lost 19 and drew 2 (no wins), at rook odds he lost 3 and drew 1 (no wins), and at queen odds he won one and drew one. Yes, Leela Queen Odds drew a game at 3'2" against the player with the third highest peak rating in all chess history! Incredible.
[/quote]

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Truly, the progress of the LeelaOdds robots is marvelous, and for all of us users, robots represent a gift of life, science fiction turned into living reality. This gift, of course, is the result of human labor, for which we owe gratitude. So, to the humans, present and absent, who have contributed to this development, I say from the bottom of my heart: "Thank you." As for the changes in the way the table's Elo scores are calculated, and the new net, and modifications with White, I don't know, nor do I have the slightest idea, if they will lead to the disappearance of Catecan and its rider, that is, myself. If so, it will soon be me and my wooden horse, forgotten and erased from history. I hope that one day we will be remembered, like the horse and his wooden horse, who traveled the entire world after its conquest in a battle with a unique style of man versus machine. I hope that by applying the science of chess and computers, my little rocking horse, Catecan, and I have contributed to a better present and future for humanity, and to equipping it with the elements of the battle of light against darkness. Thanks again to the Leela and Lea team. May you have a fair wind and a good sea!

[Father]

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. As I'm close to bed and tired today, I can see that LeelaQueenOdds is still very popular. I hope the robot remains very popular. Do you think the board will one day be preceded by one of the three best bullet chess players in the world? Of course, the current leaders are also excellent human players and extraordinary combatants against the robot. By the way, I just noticed that Hissha reached 2707 in Elo! Congratulations!

LeelaQueenOdds Leaderboard

Next update in: 9m 01s
# Player Rating Games Last Game TC
1 Arka50 2957 122 2025-05-09 1+0
2 SuperEasy 2932 395 2025-05-27 8+3
3 verystablegenius69 2862 384 2025-05-07 1+0
4 wateenellende 2814 154 2025-03-26 1+0
5 InvisibleGuest2023 2795 232 2025-05-26 1+0
6 VladimirMarkovic 2782 1019 2025-05-26 1+0
7 JoanFluvia 2753 615 2025-05-23 2+1
8 Former_Player 2741 288 2025-03-22 3+2
9 jflup 2716 145 2025-05-26 3+1
10 Hissha 2710 133 2025-05-27 1+10
11 edgelorde 2709 1315 2025-05-26 1+1
12 Orichess88 2694 88 2025-04-03 2+3
13 Mikulas 2679 290 2025-05-26 2+2
14 Alex_Muezersky 2673 179 2025-04-05 1+1
15 dauANHbac 2669 74 2025-04-27 1+1
16 smeets 2662 29 2025-04-02 2+1
17 Catecan 2637 5683 2025-05-27 1+0
18 Phara0h1 2636 974 2025-05-27 4+0
19 turton 2620 268 2025-05-27 4+7
20 Paulewski 2591 275 2025-05-26

Hikaru is likely the best bullet player in the world, if he decides to play more games vs LQO he could easily top the leaderboard, especially if some proposed changes to the leaderboard calculations are adopted. My own rating is rising because I have learned how to win fairly regularly with a ten second increment; my time control is comparable to what SuperEasy (Joel Benjamin) uses, but my win percentage isn't nearly as good as his. It is likely that a new net will be used by the bot in the next week, at least for White and perhaps also for Black. I can also mention that Fabiano Caruana has now played 27 games with the bots, all as Black at 3'2". At knight odds he lost 19 and drew 2 (no wins), at rook odds he lost 3 and drew 1 (no wins), and at queen odds he won one and drew one. Yes, Leela Queen Odds drew a game at 3'2" against the player with the third highest peak rating in all chess history! Incredible.

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Truly, the progress of the LeelaOdds robots is marvelous, and for all of us users, robots represent a gift of life, science fiction turned into living reality. This gift, of course, is the result of human labor, for which we owe gratitude. So, to the humans, present and absent, who have contributed to this development, I say from the bottom of my heart: "Thank you." As for the changes in the way the table's Elo scores are calculated, and the new net, and modifications with White, I don't know, nor do I have the slightest idea, if they will lead to the disappearance of Catecan and its rider, that is, myself. If so, it will soon be me and my wooden horse, forgotten and erased from history. I hope that one day we will be remembered, like the horse and his wooden horse, who traveled the entire world after its conquest in a battle with a unique style of man versus machine. I hope that by applying the science of chess and computers, my little rocking horse, Catecan, and I have contributed to a better present and future for humanity, and to equipping it with the elements of the battle of light against darkness. Thanks again to the Leela and Lea team. May you have a fair wind and a good sea!
[/quote]

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Although this may seem like a repetitive question, that is not my intention, as the AI ​​of the bots could be variable. I would like to know an estimate of the Fide Elo of the Queen, Knight, and Rook bots at the different time control levels as of today, and with both colors. Thank you very much for any help and information you can provide. I always wish you the best.

[lkaufman]

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Although this may seem like a repetitive question, that is not my intention, as the AI ​​of the bots could be variable. I would like to know an estimate of the Fide Elo of the Queen, Knight, and Rook bots at the different time control levels as of today, and with both colors. Thank you very much for any help and information you can provide. I always wish you the best.

It turns out to be a bit more tricky to answer this than you might imagine. The FIDE Elo of a bot partly depends on the level of opposition. If the Leela odds bots have to play against a field that is much below their level, many players will play for a draw (as you well know, being the King of drawing stronger opponents!), and since Leela doesn't know they are way below the level implied by the handicap, she will take a repetition if still down by around the initial handicap. So Leela Queen odds playing White at 3'2" blitz might actually only get a FIDE rating like 2200 or so if the average opponent is as weak as the average opponent on LiChess. But if we define its rating as the FIDE rating needed to score 50% againt it, which is the rating it would get if it only played in high-level tournaments, then it would probably be around 2350 or so as White at 3'2", maybe 2200 as Black. It probably goes up another 150 at 3'0" (or 2'1"), and another 150 at 2'0' or 1'1", and then another 250 at 1'0". It should go down about 150 at 5'3" and another 150 at 10'5". As for the smaller handicaps, it's hard to call the break-even rating when no one plays at a long enough time limit to break even (except for the one Classical match with Joel Benjamin). Furthermore the recent hardware upgrade (for the smaller odds) seems to have further boosted performance, but we've only had four days with it so it's too early to judge the effect. So far since the upgrade, against players rated over 2400 LiChess blitz, Leela playing White hasn't lost a single blitz game at knight odds and only 2 at rook odds, out of about 270 games in each category (with about 9% draws in each case)!! It's hard to estimate the break-even point when the result are so overwhelming. My best guess, based on limited games with strong GMs at Rapid and slow blitz (5'3"), is that the break-even at 5'3" is about 2800 FIDE for Rook odds (2700 for rook and move), and is far above the human range for Knight odds (maybe 3000, 2900 for knight and move), with simiilar adjustments for time control as with queen odds. I predict more interest in two knights handicap (using LeelaPieceOdds), since rook is pretty much out of range of nearly everyone at even Rapid controls, while queen odds is too much for most titled players if they use a reasonable TC like 5'3". I hope we'll have a special net for two knights soon, but even with the current net it is quite impressive.

[Father]

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Although this may seem like a repetitive question, that is not my intention, as the AI ​​of the bots could be variable. I would like to know an estimate of the Fide Elo of the Queen, Knight, and Rook bots at the different time control levels as of today, and with both colors. Thank you very much for any help and information you can provide. I always wish you the best.

It turns out to be a bit more tricky to answer this than you might imagine. The FIDE Elo of a bot partly depends on the level of opposition. If the Leela odds bots have to play against a field that is much below their level, many players will play for a draw (as you well know, being the King of drawing stronger opponents!), and since Leela doesn't know they are way below the level implied by the handicap, she will take a repetition if still down by around the initial handicap. So Leela Queen odds playing White at 3'2" blitz might actually only get a FIDE rating like 2200 or so if the average opponent is as weak as the average opponent on LiChess. But if we define its rating as the FIDE rating needed to score 50% againt it, which is the rating it would get if it only played in high-level tournaments, then it would probably be around 2350 or so as White at 3'2", maybe 2200 as Black. It probably goes up another 150 at 3'0" (or 2'1"), and another 150 at 2'0' or 1'1", and then another 250 at 1'0". It should go down about 150 at 5'3" and another 150 at 10'5". As for the smaller handicaps, it's hard to call the break-even rating when no one plays at a long enough time limit to break even (except for the one Classical match with Joel Benjamin). Furthermore the recent hardware upgrade (for the smaller odds) seems to have further boosted performance, but we've only had four days with it so it's too early to judge the effect. So far since the upgrade, against players rated over 2400 LiChess blitz, Leela playing White hasn't lost a single blitz game at knight odds and only 2 at rook odds, out of about 270 games in each category (with about 9% draws in each case)!! It's hard to estimate the break-even point when the result are so overwhelming. My best guess, based on limited games with strong GMs at Rapid and slow blitz (5'3"), is that the break-even at 5'3" is about 2800 FIDE for Rook odds (2700 for rook and move), and is far above the human range for Knight odds (maybe 3000, 2900 for knight and move), with simiilar adjustments for time control as with queen odds. I predict more interest in two knights handicap (using LeelaPieceOdds), since rook is pretty much out of range of nearly everyone at even Rapid controls, while queen odds is too much for most titled players if they use a reasonable TC like 5'3". I hope we'll have a special net for two knights soon, but even with the current net it is quite impressive.

Good morning, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you very much for your teachings. This learning is very important to me, and I'm sure it is for many others as well. Odds robots have advanced and progressed greatly. The question and reflection now is, "What is the limit of robots?" "What is the limit of LeelaQueenOdds, given the immense imbalance in material and the different time controls?" I am aware that after the neutralization I usually apply to the LeelaQueenOdds robot, I could win a high percentage of games, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time. If I manage to do so, I could surely challenge for first place in the table... let's wait and see how everything develops... in the case of the LeelaKnightOdds robot, everything is at a different price... in this case, a draw is coherently desired... like this example I'm showing you.


[pgn]Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/NajN8bFP"]
[Date "2025.06.08"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "NajN8bFP"]
[UTCDate "2025.06.08"]
[UTCTime "13:30:10"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 b6 3. e3 c5 4. Nf3 g6 5. c3 Bg7 6. Bd3 d5 7. Qe2 Bg4 8. O-O O-O 9. Ba6 Rb8 10. Bd3 Nh5 11. Qd1 Rc8 12. Be2 Nf6 13. Ne5 Bf5 14. Bd3 Rc7 15. Bxf5 gxf5 16. g3 Qa8 17. Rf2 Ne4 18. Rg2 Nd6 19. Qe2 c4 20. Nf3 Kh8 21. a3 e6 22. Nbd2 Rg8 23. Nf1 Bf8 24. Bd2 f6 25. Be1 Rcg7 26. Rc1 Qe8 27. Qd1 Be7 28. Rcc2 b5 29. Rce2 Qh5 30. Rc2 a5 31. Rc1 Rb8 32. Nh4 Qf7 33. Nf3 Rbg8 34. Kh1 Qg6 35. Kg1 Qe8 36. Kh1 Ne4 37. N3d2 Nd6 38. Nf3 Qg6 39. Nh4 Qf7 40. Nf3?? { (3.36 → 0.00) Blunder. Ra1 was best. } (40. Ra1 Qe8 41. Qe2 Qd7 42. Nf3 Qe8 43. Ng1 Bd8 44. Nh3 Ne4 45. Nf2 Nd6) 40... Bd8?? { (0.00 → 3.05) Blunder. Qg6 was best. } (40... Qg6) 41. Kg1 Be7 42. Kh1?? { (3.27 → 0.00) Blunder. Nh4 was best. } { The game is a draw. } (42. Nh4 Rb8 43. Ra1 Rgg8 44. h3 Ra8 45. g4 fxg4 46. hxg4 b4 47. a4 b3) 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[lkaufman]

Good morning, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you very much for your teachings. This learning is very important to me, and I'm sure it is for many others as well. Odds robots have advanced and progressed greatly. The question and reflection now is, "What is the limit of robots?" "What is the limit of LeelaQueenOdds, given the immense imbalance in material and the different time controls?" I am aware that after the neutralization I usually apply to the LeelaQueenOdds robot, I could win a high percentage of games, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time. If I manage to do so, I could surely challenge for first place in the table... let's wait and see how everything develops... in the case of the LeelaKnightOdds robot, everything is at a different price... in this case, a draw is coherently desired...

If you can win many of these games with more time, why not play 1’2” or 3’0” to prove so?

[Father]

Good morning, Mr. Larry Kaufman. Thank you very much for your teachings. This learning is very important to me, and I'm sure it is for many others as well. Odds robots have advanced and progressed greatly. The question and reflection now is, "What is the limit of robots?" "What is the limit of LeelaQueenOdds, given the immense imbalance in material and the different time controls?" I am aware that after the neutralization I usually apply to the LeelaQueenOdds robot, I could win a high percentage of games, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time. If I manage to do so, I could surely challenge for first place in the table... let's wait and see how everything develops... in the case of the LeelaKnightOdds robot, everything is at a different price... in this case, a draw is coherently desired...

If you can win many of these games with more time, why not play 1’2” or 3’0” to prove so?

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. The idea of ​​playing at these time controls is good, although I believe it would still be too short for me. Reaching the 2700 rating threshold hasn't been easy for me, and I'm afraid of ruining my current rating. I'd prefer to have a second user on Lichess if possible, but I don't know if it's allowed. I would play at the time controls you suggest, using the black pieces, too. The thing is, Catecan already has its tricks and bad habits, and I'm already a mule of repetitive habits.

[Kappatoo]

My best guess, based on limited games with strong GMs at Rapid and slow blitz (5'3"), is that the break-even at 5'3" is about 2800 FIDE for Rook odds (2700 for rook and move), and is far above the human range for Knight odds (maybe 3000, 2900 for knight and move)

I don't doubt your assessment, or your data. I still find it hard to wrap my head around the fact that Nakamura and Caruana get crushed at knight odds.

[M ANSARI]

Where can you download the Leela Queen Odds engine? It is sometimes frustratingly difficult to get a game on Lichess with that BOT.