Robbolito 0.09 New Edition VS Rybka 3

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I dont buy that. Since that code has been stolen anything added to that would give away too much. Wait for a later version if it is properly safe. Or the online thing. The games must go on! Sorry but you have to suffer because criminals had been involved. In such a case you just cant dream of living on a moon. It's here, it's real life. Period.

Where has Vas ever said the R3 code was stolen?

It was during his stay in Budapest, Wroclaw or Dresden.

Can you point us to it? He has said several times that he does not have it because he moved on with rybka development and did not keep a copy of the R3 source.

They are both lying Harvey and the ugly thing is that they have forgotten their old lies and hence the confusion of Rolf....

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I am afraid every engine on the planet is guilty.

Why? - what did they promise to fix in writing? He even says in the recent interview the reason he did not issue the promised fix was mainly due to the fact that he had promised one of his team a Cluster version and did not want to let him down. I guess a promise to one is more important than a promise to 1000's of customers.

Vas did promise to release Rybka 3+, so a lot of the anger and frustration towards him is understandable from that viewpoint.
However, I'm sure you'll agree that supporting and applauding Ippo/Robbo as a means of revenge is unacceptable (even if one is of the opinion that Rybka is a tad Fruity).

Cheers,
Graham.

Note that I didn't write a single word regarding the issue that Rybka is a clone of Fruit because I can't prove it and a 100% prrof is yet to be shown....what I do know is that not releasing the promised Rybka 3+ is a very weak move from the IM Rajlich which will lead him to be mated a few moves later....
Dr.D

[mariaclara]

is it weird to lose respect/trust in a person who breaks his
promise

I am afraid every engine on the planet is guilty.

Why? - what did they promise to fix in writing? He even says in the recent interview the reason he did not issue the promised fix was mainly due to the fact that he had promised one of his team a Cluster version and did not want to let him down. I guess a promise to one is more important than a promise to 1000's of customers.

Vas did promise to release Rybka 3+, so a lot of the anger and frustration towards him is understandable from that viewpoint.
However, I'm sure you'll agree that supporting and applauding Ippo/Robbo as a means of revenge is unacceptable (even if one is of the opinion that Rybka is a tad Fruity).

Cheers,
Graham.

Note that I didn't write a single word regarding the issue that Rybka is a clone of Fruit because I can't prove it and a 100% prrof is yet to be shown....what I do know is that not releasing the promised Rybka 3+ is a very weak move from the IM Rajlich which will lead him to be mated a few moves later....
Dr.D

[Graham Banks]

I am afraid every engine on the planet is guilty.

Why? - what did they promise to fix in writing? He even says in the recent interview the reason he did not issue the promised fix was mainly due to the fact that he had promised one of his team a Cluster version and did not want to let him down. I guess a promise to one is more important than a promise to 1000's of customers.

Vas did promise to release Rybka 3+, so a lot of the anger and frustration towards him is understandable from that viewpoint.
However, I'm sure you'll agree that supporting and applauding Ippo/Robbo as a means of revenge is unacceptable (even if one is of the opinion that Rybka is a tad Fruity).

Cheers,
Graham.

Hmmm - or perhaps you don't agree?

[Nimzovik]

Ok .... I promised myself to not get into these type of threads.....deep sigh. However I for one find the reasons for not releasing R3+ to be more of the nature of an excuse than actual reasoning IMHO. I also note that I detrimentaly relied on the promised R3+ for analysis purposes. I do not trust my R3 for this. I now have to confirm results with other engines ad infinitum. Exasperating. The relatively minor bugs (and others IMHO) should be fixed at least. Indeed the wait alone for a R3+ fix is reprehensible at this juncture by my lights. Ergo as far as for R4 I must say again "Fool me once shame on you....fool me twice -shame on me" It is simple ethics gentlemen. I fail to see the difficulty in grasping this remedial level concept by the opposition. I would at least gain some respect if a certain 'mea culpa' was acknowledged on this sole issue by the opposition so we could then move forward on to other debates of the Rybka issue(s).

[Nimzovik]

Graham: Once the unamed named engine is proven to be a clone I can then see the ethical point of not using the said engine. As I am too ignorant (like many other mere end engine users) to judge on this point then the question must be asked "Why should I punish (not acknowledge the achievment) of other programmers?" If I were to be using the unamed engine and it was subsequently proven to be stolen then indeed the use of the engine should be stopped due to ethical considerations. I would then -If I were using the engine pay for Rybka 4 although I am somewhat loathe to do so due to his (Vas's) ethics of not being forthright on the R3+ issue. However as virtue is indeed it's own reward I personally would feel obligated to buy R4 under these circumstances. To paraphrase 'Vas's unethical behavior does not justify unethical behavior on my part' or two 'wrongs' do not make a 'right'. So................... until then -when all is clear- I will act accordingly.

[Graham Banks]

Graham: Once the unamed named engine is proven to be a clone I can then see the ethical point of not using the said engine. As I am too ignorant (like many other mere end engine users) to judge on this point then the question must be asked "Why should I punish (not acknowledge the achievment) of other programmers?" If I were to be using the unamed engine and it was subsequently proven to be stolen then indeed the use of the engine should be stopped due to ethical considerations. I would then -If I were using the engine pay for Rybka 4 although I am somewhat loathe to do so due to his (Vas's) ethics of not being forthright on the R3+ issue. However as virtue is indeed it's own reward I personally would feel obligated to buy R4 under these circumstances. To paraphrase 'Vas's unethical behavior does not justify unethical behavior on my part' or two 'wrongs' do not make a 'right'. So................... until then -when all is clear- I will act accordingly.

People are entitled to believe what they want, but in my opinion, the fact that links to this engine are allowed in here is one of the biggest disgraces to ever hit CCC. The mods are like ostriches with their heads in the sand. They seem too stubborn to admit they've erred. Statements from both Dann and Bob give their opinion that this is a reverse engineered clone. Plus it has an anonymous author. Absolutely disgusting. CCC has reached a new all-time low.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Graham: Once the unamed named engine is proven to be a clone I can then see the ethical point of not using the said engine. As I am too ignorant (like many other mere end engine users) to judge on this point then the question must be asked "Why should I punish (not acknowledge the achievment) of other programmers?" If I were to be using the unamed engine and it was subsequently proven to be stolen then indeed the use of the engine should be stopped due to ethical considerations. I would then -If I were using the engine pay for Rybka 4 although I am somewhat loathe to do so due to his (Vas's) ethics of not being forthright on the R3+ issue. However as virtue is indeed it's own reward I personally would feel obligated to buy R4 under these circumstances. To paraphrase 'Vas's unethical behavior does not justify unethical behavior on my part' or two 'wrongs' do not make a 'right'. So................... until then -when all is clear- I will act accordingly.

People are entitled to believe what they want, but in my opinion, the fact that links to this engine are allowed in here is one of the biggest disgraces to ever hit CCC. The mods are like ostriches with their heads in the sand. They seem too stubborn to admit they've erred. Statements from both Dann and Bob give their opinion that this is a reverse engineered clone. Plus it has an anonymous author. Absolutely disgusting. CCC has reached a new all-time low.

He who has eyes but cannot see must lie with the worms and feed the trees....
Deebspear

[Graham Banks]

Graham: Once the unamed named engine is proven to be a clone I can then see the ethical point of not using the said engine. As I am too ignorant (like many other mere end engine users) to judge on this point then the question must be asked "Why should I punish (not acknowledge the achievment) of other programmers?" If I were to be using the unamed engine and it was subsequently proven to be stolen then indeed the use of the engine should be stopped due to ethical considerations. I would then -If I were using the engine pay for Rybka 4 although I am somewhat loathe to do so due to his (Vas's) ethics of not being forthright on the R3+ issue. However as virtue is indeed it's own reward I personally would feel obligated to buy R4 under these circumstances. To paraphrase 'Vas's unethical behavior does not justify unethical behavior on my part' or two 'wrongs' do not make a 'right'. So................... until then -when all is clear- I will act accordingly.

People are entitled to believe what they want, but in my opinion, the fact that links to this engine are allowed in here is one of the biggest disgraces to ever hit CCC. The mods are like ostriches with their heads in the sand. They seem too stubborn to admit they've erred. Statements from both Dann and Bob give their opinion that this is a reverse engineered clone. Plus it has an anonymous author. Absolutely disgusting. CCC has reached a new all-time low.

He who has eyes but cannot see must lie with the worms and feed the trees....
Deebspear

You need to make an appointment with the optometrist quickly then Wael.

[Nimzovik]

Graham. You may very well be quite correct. However I have read on this and other forums that the said issue is apparantly hotly contested. As for the anonymity of the authors that does indeed look -flakey. Their site even flakier. However there are indeed many reasons one choses to be unknown. I can not speak to that. My personal dilemma is that as I stated I am to ignorant to unequivocably know for certain the absolute correctness of either side of the issue. Many posters seem to have doubts both ways. They seem knowledgeble to me.