LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

[Laskos]

It is normal LCzero outplay engines at the opening sometimes, and lack of tactics then. In the long run it will overcome the lack of tactics as well, it just needs many many many more games to try some sacrifice or some tactics with his actual level of play.

Yes, but I didn't quite expected LC0 slightly outplaying even Komodo in the openings before tactical complications in 3 LTC games.

[jp]

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Yes, but I didn't quite expected LC0 slightly outplaying even Komodo in the openings before tactical complications in 3 LTC games.

Unless Komodo has been specifically tuned to play the opening well, I don't see why this should be surprising.

[JJJ]

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Yes, but I didn't quite expected LC0 slightly outplaying even Komodo in the openings before tactical complications in 3 LTC games.

Unless Komodo has been specifically tuned to play the opening well, I don't see why this should be surprising.

I agree.

When I see than LCzero is already better than Komodo in the opening before tactics gets invole, I m sure self learning will overcome any engines in the long run.

[Laskos]

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Yes, but I didn't quite expected LC0 slightly outplaying even Komodo in the openings before tactical complications in 3 LTC games.

Unless Komodo has been specifically tuned to play the opening well, I don't see why this should be surprising.

Sure Komodo is well tuned to play openings well.

[AdminX]

Very early days, but current result for LCZero 127 on NVidia 1060 vs Colossus 2008b @ 15 sec / move below. Colossus is single Intel Broadwell core @ 4.2 GHz.

4 wins
2 losses
1 draw

for LCZero

Wow, on a good GPU and longer time control, LC0 rocks. It scales completely differently from standard engines, give it strong hardware and LTC, and it soares.

Stop saying things like this, I am trying very hard over here not to upgrade my GPU! You have no idea how tempted I am to spend money on this right now. I'm like a drug addict going through withdrawals.

Pretty same here, need at least an Nvidia 1060, but maybe even higher. Bad times .

I folded Kai and just could take it anymore. Went and bought a GTX 1060, only to find out I needed a SATA 15-Pin Male to Dual 4-Pin Molex Female Y Splitter which I thought I already had, if I do it's saying find me. So I ordered a new one did not feel like driving back to Microcenter to get it. It just kept calling me and calling me. This stuff has me addicted.

[Laskos]

Very early days, but current result for LCZero 127 on NVidia 1060 vs Colossus 2008b @ 15 sec / move below. Colossus is single Intel Broadwell core @ 4.2 GHz.

4 wins
2 losses
1 draw

for LCZero

Wow, on a good GPU and longer time control, LC0 rocks. It scales completely differently from standard engines, give it strong hardware and LTC, and it soares.

Stop saying things like this, I am trying very hard over here not to upgrade my GPU! You have no idea how tempted I am to spend money on this right now. I'm like a drug addict going through withdrawals.

Pretty same here, need at least an Nvidia 1060, but maybe even higher. Bad times .

I folded Kai and just could take it anymore. Went and bought a GTX 1060, only to find out I needed a SATA 15-Pin Male to Dual 4-Pin Molex Female Y Splitter which I thought I already had, if I do it's saying find me. So I ordered a new one did not feel like driving back to Microcenter to get it. It just kept calling me and calling me. This stuff has me addicted.

It's anyway necessary, and from published benchmarks, GTX 1060 comes as one the best price-performance wise. These guys are already testing 192x15 nets, and probably soon 256x20 nets will appear, which will render CPU completely obsolete. Even a strong full i9 CPU will be 10 times slower than a strong GPU. I also need to change my 600W PSU, I guess more is needed to not fry it (or the motherboard). In less than a month I will buy all that, no way, this thing is too exciting to miss it.

Imagine in a year or so GPU races, with guys having arrays of 4-8 super-GPUs/TPUs .

[Albert Silver]

Very early days, but current result for LCZero 127 on NVidia 1060 vs Colossus 2008b @ 15 sec / move below. Colossus is single Intel Broadwell core @ 4.2 GHz.

4 wins
2 losses
1 draw

for LCZero

Wow, on a good GPU and longer time control, LC0 rocks. It scales completely differently from standard engines, give it strong hardware and LTC, and it soares.

Stop saying things like this, I am trying very hard over here not to upgrade my GPU! You have no idea how tempted I am to spend money on this right now. I'm like a drug addict going through withdrawals.

Pretty same here, need at least an Nvidia 1060, but maybe even higher. Bad times .

I folded Kai and just could take it anymore. Went and bought a GTX 1060, only to find out I needed a SATA 15-Pin Male to Dual 4-Pin Molex Female Y Splitter which I thought I already had, if I do it's saying find me. So I ordered a new one did not feel like driving back to Microcenter to get it. It just kept calling me and calling me. This stuff has me addicted.

It's anyway necessary, and from published benchmarks, GTX 1060 comes as one the best price-performance wise. These guys are already testing 192x15 nets, and probably soon 256x20 nets will appear, which will render CPU completely obsolete. Even a strong full i9 CPU will be 10 times slower than a strong GPU. I also need to change my 600W PSU, I guess more is needed to not fry it (or the motherboard). In less than a month I will buy all that, no way, this thing is too exciting to miss it.

Imagine in a year or so GPU races, with guys having arrays of 4-8 super-GPUs/TPUs .

"But honey, this is for chess! The dual GTX 1080ti and three 55-inch 4k screens are to see the moves better. Those lifelong subscriptions to Battlefield and Call of Duty series on the credit card must be some mistake. I swear!"

[JJJ]

In the meantime Leela breaks the 5400 elo from random play wall after 10 millions games played !

Will the progress be faster Kai with a bigger net ? What do you think ? And plz, don't shoot me big military guys.

[Leo]

Where is LCzero being trained? Are people buying GPU cards to train it at home?

[AdminX]

"But honey, this is for chess! The dual GTX 1080ti and three 55-inch 4k screens are to see the moves better. Those lifelong subscriptions to Battlefield and Call of Duty series on the credit card must be some mistake. I swear!"

LMAO, I told her it was for my Plex server and that it would encode her shows faster. She never comes over to Talkchess so I think I am safe.