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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
JuLieN wrote:
AdminX wrote:
JuLieN wrote:
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JuLieN wrote:Incredible! Well done Gelfand! :shock:

And that was a very interesting game! I loved how white managed to masterfully use their temporary dynamical advantage (especially their moves on the c file) against black's long term advantage (pawn structure).
Yes it was indeed!
Anand looks pissed (press conference). There will be fire in white's pieces tomorrow. ;)
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. He also seems a little short with his answers.
Journalist: Now that you are one point behind in the score, will you change something in the opening, maybe play more aggressively?
Vishy: I don't think I should reveal that.
Journalist: Boris, did you notice that there were more people in the audience today?
Gelfand: No, but that's good to ear. Maybe because that's the weekend?
Journalist (to Anand): And di...
Anand: I noticed nothing.

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Wow....Anand is definitely pissed off :shock:

I am not a world champion,but I do play the chess engines a lot and I've gained enough experience to participate in human tournaments,soon I hope....

So my point is that Anand has played a sequence of bad moves which I was really surprised to watch....he violated numerous basic principles of chess strategy during the middle game which made him an easy victim for Gelfand to squeeze to death....

Of course I am not underestimating Gelfand's master play....

All in all a great game to watch regards,
Dr.D
The way Anand has played many moves of this game is an offence to chess.

...g5 is a coffee house move

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MM wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
JuLieN wrote:
AdminX wrote:
JuLieN wrote:
AdminX wrote:
JuLieN wrote:Incredible! Well done Gelfand! :shock:

And that was a very interesting game! I loved how white managed to masterfully use their temporary dynamical advantage (especially their moves on the c file) against black's long term advantage (pawn structure).
Yes it was indeed!
Anand looks pissed (press conference). There will be fire in white's pieces tomorrow. ;)
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. He also seems a little short with his answers.
Journalist: Now that you are one point behind in the score, will you change something in the opening, maybe play more aggressively?
Vishy: I don't think I should reveal that.
Journalist: Boris, did you notice that there were more people in the audience today?
Gelfand: No, but that's good to ear. Maybe because that's the weekend?
Journalist (to Anand): And di...
Anand: I noticed nothing.

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Wow....Anand is definitely pissed off :shock:

I am not a world champion,but I do play the chess engines a lot and I've gained enough experience to participate in human tournaments,soon I hope....

So my point is that Anand has played a sequence of bad moves which I was really surprised to watch....he violated numerous basic principles of chess strategy during the middle game which made him an easy victim for Gelfand to squeeze to death....

Of course I am not underestimating Gelfand's master play....

All in all a great game to watch regards,
Dr.D
The way Anand has played many moves of this game is an offence to chess.

...g5 is a coffee house move

Regards
Well,in a way you're right but what made him really make these moves :!: :?:

Time pressure,despair,who knows....
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Anand just has the wrong mind frame for this match. He is giving Gelfand way too much respect and that is working against him. He is going into positions that have clearly been studied and prepared for extensively by both sides. He is clearly the much stronger player and thus he should just get into a good playable position from BOTH sides (not only white) and try to simply play chess and outplay his opponent. I would advice him to go into quiet lines where there is a lot of play and very little analysis, the very likely outcome is that he will outplay Gelfand every single game. While Gelfand is a good GM, he most certainly is not of the same caliber as Anand. Playing into heavily prepared and analyzed lines and trying to make your pet openings work is like bashing your head on concrete ... Kasparov found that out the hard way against Kramnik!
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M ANSARI wrote:Anand just has the wrong mind frame for this match. He is giving Gelfand way too much respect and that is working against him. He is going into positions that have clearly been studied and prepared for extensively by both sides. He is clearly the much stronger player and thus he should just get into a good playable position from BOTH sides (not only white) and try to simply play chess and outplay his opponent. I would advice him to go into quiet lines where there is a lot of play and very little analysis, the very likely outcome is that he will outplay Gelfand every single game. While Gelfand is a good GM, he most certainly is not of the same caliber as Anand. Playing into heavily prepared and analyzed lines and trying to make your pet openings work is like bashing your head on concrete ... Kasparov found that out the hard way against Kramnik!
Well said Majd and I totally agree 8-)
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M ANSARI wrote:Anand just has the wrong mind frame for this match. He is giving Gelfand way too much respect and that is working against him. He is going into positions that have clearly been studied and prepared for extensively by both sides. He is clearly the much stronger player and thus he should just get into a good playable position from BOTH sides (not only white) and try to simply play chess and outplay his opponent. I would advice him to go into quiet lines where there is a lot of play and very little analysis, the very likely outcome is that he will outplay Gelfand every single game. While Gelfand is a good GM, he most certainly is not of the same caliber as Anand. Playing into heavily prepared and analyzed lines and trying to make your pet openings work is like bashing your head on concrete ... Kasparov found that out the hard way against Kramnik!
I do not see the basis for the confidence that anand is clearly the much stronger player.

I also think that playing lines that you did not analyze and your opponent analyzed is not a good idea and anand does not know what gelfand analyzed.

Maybe it is better for anand to start with some rare line hoping that gelfand is not ready for it(maybe something like 1.c3) but he certainly does not need to play a line that he did not prepare at home.
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Uri Blass wrote:
M ANSARI wrote:Anand just has the wrong mind frame for this match. He is giving Gelfand way too much respect and that is working against him. He is going into positions that have clearly been studied and prepared for extensively by both sides. He is clearly the much stronger player and thus he should just get into a good playable position from BOTH sides (not only white) and try to simply play chess and outplay his opponent. I would advice him to go into quiet lines where there is a lot of play and very little analysis, the very likely outcome is that he will outplay Gelfand every single game. While Gelfand is a good GM, he most certainly is not of the same caliber as Anand. Playing into heavily prepared and analyzed lines and trying to make your pet openings work is like bashing your head on concrete ... Kasparov found that out the hard way against Kramnik!
I do not see the basis for the confidence that anand is clearly the much stronger player.

I also think that playing lines that you did not analyze and your opponent analyzed is not a good idea and anand does not know what gelfand analyzed.

Maybe it is better for anand to start with some rare line hoping that gelfand is not ready for it(maybe something like 1.c3) but he certainly does not need to play a line that he did not prepare at home.
I think Anand should reset his mind and play like he used to play. I think it is scared and under big pressure. Anand cannot know the opening preparation of Gelfand, so it could be a good idea to use rare lines and let the strongest player win (not sure Anand is stronger than Gelfand, elo is not all).

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If Anand can't do the best thing from his own mind, then you still think he is much stronger, but only needs extra advice from you?
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[Event "World Chess Championship"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2012.05.21"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Result "*"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. f3 c5 4. d5 d6 5. e4 Bg7 6. Ne2 O-O
7. Nec3 Nh5 *

[d]rnbq1rk1/pp2ppbp/3p2p1/2pP3n/2P1P3/2N2P2/PP4PP/RNBQKB1R w KQ -
Novelty at move 7! Gelfand's 7...Nh5 looks very provocative.
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[Event "World Chess Championship"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2012.05.21"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Gelfand, Boris"]
[ECO "E60"]
[Result "*"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.f3 c5 4.d5 d6 5.e4 Bg7 6.Ne2 O-O 7.Nec3 Nh5
8.Bg5 *

[d]rnbq1rk1/pp2ppbp/3p2p1/2pP2Bn/2P1P3/2N2P2/PP4PP/RN1QKB1R b KQ - 6 8

Live: http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/

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Scary try by Anand, today. f3 was a rare move, Gelfand's 7. ..., Nh5 a novelty, and Anand is yet out of book and thinking. A position full of dynamical resources, according to Leko.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post, Robert. Yours wasn't here when I was writing mine. I'll let you update the thread :)
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[Event "World Chess Championship"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2012.05.21"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Result "*"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. f3 c5 4. d5 d6 5. e4 Bg7 6. Ne2 O-O
7. Nec3 Nh5 8. Bg5 Bf6 9. Bxf6 exf6 *

[d]rnbq1rk1/pp3p1p/3p1pp1/2pP3n/2P1P3/2N2P2/PP4PP/RN1QKB1R w KQ -

Wow, Gelfand playing the weird 8...Bf6(?!).
Anand must feel happy about this position.