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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread

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JuLieN wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
IGarcia wrote:
Martin Thoresen wrote:It was a really tame attempt by Anand today. I would expect more. I can safely say that this looked like a comfortable draw by Carlsen.
I do agree. Stil there is a good reason behind this. In football, wen you receive a goal you main objective is to not receive a second one. Or a third one, like in this case.

Maybe was better strategy to seek a draw as white in 6th game and push for a win in this one, again with white. But been 2 games down, some caution is needed to avoid been 3 games down.

Ignacio.
I have to disagree. There is a football expression in Brazil: "there is little difference between losing by ten goals or losing by a thousand"
This is an uninformed opinion, as Brazil never loses. ;)

But I agree with your disagreement : when you're about to lose you don't care for how much you'll lose : you react and try to win. The only moderation to this idea being during a group tournament when the goal average has to be taken into account. But clearly, during a several game match between two players you don't care about the goal average.
The "little" difference is 1000-10= 990 goals. :shock: its 1st grade math :D

Joke apart, I understand what you try to say, but chess WCC is not like basketball or handball where a lot of points are scored and you can be several points down, not losing faith and and still complete sure in the end you will win.

Here is more like 2 top football teams where is unlike to score 10-0 (or 1000-0), but yes 1-0, and probably a second, or third consecutive goal will define the game. Same here in WCC: Just imagine a score 5-2 today.

Anand "tame" game was ok, for me.
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The 8th game was yet another uninspired draw, as Carlsen calmly waits for Anand to do something. Carlsen played e4 for the first time in this championship.
[pgn][Event "FWCM 2013"]
[Site "Chennai"]
[Date "2013.11.19"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C67"]
[WhiteElo "2870"]
[BlackElo "2775"]
[PlyCount "66"]
[EventDate "2013.??.??"]
[EventCountry "IND"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. Re1 Nd6 6. Nxe5 Be7 7. Bf1 Nxe5
8. Rxe5 O-O 9. d4 Bf6 10. Re1 Re8 11. c3 Rxe1 12. Qxe1 Ne8 13. Bf4 d5 14. Bd3
g6 15. Nd2 Ng7 16. Qe2 c6 17. Re1 Bf5 18. Bxf5 Nxf5 19. Nf3 Ng7 20. Be5 Ne6 21.
Bxf6 Qxf6 22. Ne5 Re8 23. Ng4 Qd8 24. Qe5 Ng7 25. Qxe8+ Nxe8 26. Rxe8+ Qxe8 27.
Nf6+ Kf8 28. Nxe8 Kxe8 29. f4 f5 30. Kf2 b5 31. b4 Kf7 32. h3 h6 33. h4 h5
1/2-1/2[/pgn]
The final position is funny, though :
[d]8/p4k2/2p3p1/1p1p1p1p/1P1P1P1P/2P5/P4KP1/8 w - - 0 34
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread

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Albert Silver wrote:
IGarcia wrote:
Martin Thoresen wrote:It was a really tame attempt by Anand today. I would expect more. I can safely say that this looked like a comfortable draw by Carlsen.
I do agree. Stil there is a good reason behind this. In football, wen you receive a goal you main objective is to not receive a second one. Or a third one, like in this case.

Maybe was better strategy to seek a draw as white in 6th game and push for a win in this one, again with white. But been 2 games down, some caution is needed to avoid been 3 games down.

Ignacio.
I have to disagree. There is a football expression in Brazil: "there is little difference between losing by ten goals or losing by a thousand"
I thought ignacio was expressing a logic that after 2 losses it may have been psychologically a good idea to ensure not losing a third but to show one (oneself) cannot be beaten normally, and later to try another push.

Today, in the press conference after the game, carlson said he was not in a mood to do much thinking. Perhaps after this he will be in even less a mood, and from now on anand can succeed in pulling off 2-3 wins.
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread

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Am I the only one thinking that Anand adopted an anti-computer style against Carlsen? :lol:
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread

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S.Taylor wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
IGarcia wrote:
Martin Thoresen wrote:It was a really tame attempt by Anand today. I would expect more. I can safely say that this looked like a comfortable draw by Carlsen.
I do agree. Stil there is a good reason behind this. In football, wen you receive a goal you main objective is to not receive a second one. Or a third one, like in this case.

Maybe was better strategy to seek a draw as white in 6th game and push for a win in this one, again with white. But been 2 games down, some caution is needed to avoid been 3 games down.

Ignacio.
I have to disagree. There is a football expression in Brazil: "there is little difference between losing by ten goals or losing by a thousand"
I thought ignacio was expressing a logic that after 2 losses it may have been psychologically a good idea to ensure not losing a third but to show one cannot be beaten normally, and later to try another push.

Today, in the press conference after the game, carlson said he was not in a mood to do much thinking. Perhaps after this he will be in even less a mood, and from now on anand can succeed in pulling off 2-3 wins.
Yes thats was the idea... stop loses, clam down and try a win in next games.
But today was not in that direction. This was too simple game. Like the ones I see in club :?
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

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Hello:

After the 8th game, maintaining the same parameters than other times:

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White advantage:              40.0 Elo.
Supposed rating difference:   47.0 Elo.

            1000000 simulations:

Carlsen wins:               975624
Anand wins:                   1770
Drawn matches:               22606

Approximated elapsed time:    0.69 seconds.
97.5624% + 0.3*2.2606% = 98.24058% ~ 98.24% after 1e+6 simulations. There is almost no change when comparing with the last time (circa 98.22% or 98.23%).

It looks like Carlsen will be the new WC with less than 23 years old!

Regards from Spain.

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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

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that's it!

alot of people like magnus, but sad for those who wanted anand to get back into it.

Carlsen is probably jumping for joy inside himself, but outside, he has to say a bit of "ahhhhh what a shame! Anand didn't really have to blunder! i could have afforded another draw or even one loss!"
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[pgn][Event "FWCM 2013"]
[Site "Chennai"]
[Date "2013.11.21"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E25"]
[WhiteElo "2775"]
[BlackElo "2870"]
[PlyCount "56"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. f3 d5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 c5 7. cxd5 exd5 8.
e3 c4 9. Ne2 Nc6 10. g4 O-O 11. Bg2 Na5 12. O-O Nb3 13. Ra2 b5 14. Ng3 a5 15.
g5 Ne8 16. e4 Nxc1 17. Qxc1 Ra6 18. e5 Nc7 19. f4 b4 20. axb4 axb4 21. Rxa6
Nxa6 22. f5 b3 23. Qf4 Nc7 24. f6 g6 25. Qh4 Ne8 26. Qh6 b2 27. Rf4 b1=Q+ 28.
Nf1 Qe1 0-1
[/pgn]

After a great kingside attack by Anand, 28.Nf1? instead of Bf1 suddenly lost the game. Carlsen will certainly make at least 0.5/3 in the remaining match games, thus becoming the new World Champion. And I am sure, Anand will remain the wonderful player that he is, on the highest level.
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

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YES, it IS the end of an era, probably.
I would have prefered just one more time for Anand, (and who knows, maybe even Gelfand would have managed next time,) and then, we could have our new era!