Raphexon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:30 am
Did you even look at the github repo you linked?
Ah, my bad. Thanks for the heads up. Apparently this version is derived from https://github.com/yaneurao/YaneuraOu which was in turn derived from stockfish search. That’s what I get for misreading the Chess Programming Wiki. It’s clear from the original paper that the earliest nnue engines were stockfish derived. https://dev.exherbo.org/~alip/doc/nnue_en.pdf
I've also done some more looking around.
It seems like the first Shogi engine to use Stockfish was GPS Shogi (later called GPSfish) implemented in 2011 or so. So Stockfish 2.2 or 2.3
I tried to find data from before 2010, but this is the only source code I could find:
Bonanza v4.0.3 (The original engine, this version is from 2009)
Looks like Crafty to me.
Raphexon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:30 am
Did you even look at the github repo you linked?
Ah, my bad. Thanks for the heads up. Apparently this version is derived from https://github.com/yaneurao/YaneuraOu which was in turn derived from stockfish search. That’s what I get for misreading the Chess Programming Wiki. It’s clear from the original paper that the earliest nnue engines were stockfish derived. https://dev.exherbo.org/~alip/doc/nnue_en.pdf
Now I’m sure you’ll be able to use this in your moral arithmetic spreadsheet to figure out who owes what to whom. Please report back when you’ve figured it out.
wickedpotus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:57 am
Now I’m sure you’ll be able to use this in your moral arithmetic spreadsheet to figure out who owes what to whom. Please report back when you’ve figured it out.
OK. The answer is..a nice mention toward the bottom of a readme is nice but not necessary.
Fat Titz by Stockfish, the engine with the bodaciously big net. Remember: size matters. If you want to learn more about this engine just google for "Fat Titz".
Most of the top engines aren't GPLv3 compliants, and would be a pity for the computer chess community to lose them.
Since it isn't related to money, being all them FREEWARE, please dear skilled authors, RELEASE your modified source and give code attribution to the Stockfish Team that has changed chess engines free sharing forever
BanksiaGui SEMI-BLITZ 400+1 seconds / all (7-15 minutes for each player on average) PREVIEW
No books , Syzygy tablebases up to 6 man - 4 CPUs 2-6 kN/s
PS: I have hidden some engine names to avoid unwanted flames.
Regards, Alex
Chess engines and dedicated chess computers fan since 1981 macOS Sequoia 16GB-512GB, Windows 11 & Ubuntu ARM64. ProteusSF Dev Forum
AlexChess wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:27 pm
Most of the top engines aren't GPLv3 compliants, and would be a pity for the computer chess community to lose them.
Since it isn't related to money, being all them FREEWARE, please dear skilled authors, RELEASE your modified source and give code attribution to the Stockfish Team that has changed chess engines free sharing forever
BanksiaGui SEMI-BLITZ 400+1 seconds / all (7-15 minutes for each player on average) PREVIEW
No books , Syzygy tablebases up to 6 man - 4 CPUs 2-6 kN/s
PS: I have hidden some engine names to avoid unwanted flames.
Regards, Alex
The fact that you're using raubfisch for anything disgusts me.
Raubfisch is the only engine that will always be public and free due to its lack of the source code (thus not matching the GPL 3.0 license requirements), plus it's a Windows only. I hosted this engine for years and now I'm the main distributor (16.154 downloads so far), very proud of it.
dangi12012 wrote:No one wants to touch anything you have posted. That proves you now have negative reputations since everyone knows already you are a forum troll.
Maybe you copied your stockfish commits from someone else too?
I will look into that.
Cornfed wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:26 pm
Sure sounds like the bulk of your hobby has been built on an illegality...
Sounds like I could make 10 new Github accounts, release 10 Stockfish forks, and then occupy 33% of his testing pool.
Sound like all commercial closed source 100€ engines (each version improved by <50 ELO leaps) like Deep Junior, Deep Shredder, Deep Fritz and Deep Hiarcs are now obsoletes and no one can benefit from the knowledge of their authors.
You cannot say that they are only 1:1 clones (you don't have the source) and they play and score differently from Stockfish. I deprecate only that they don't respect GPLv3.
Regards, Alex
Chess engines and dedicated chess computers fan since 1981 macOS Sequoia 16GB-512GB, Windows 11 & Ubuntu ARM64. ProteusSF Dev Forum
Cornfed wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:26 pm
Sure sounds like the bulk of your hobby has been built on an illegality...
Sounds like I could make 10 new Github accounts, release 10 Stockfish forks, and then occupy 33% of his testing pool.
Sound like all commercial closed source 100€ engines (each version improved by <50 ELO leaps) like Deep Junior, Deep Shredder, Deep Fritz and Deep Hiarcs are now obsoletes and no one can benefit from the knowledge of their authors.
You cannot say that they are only 1:1 clones (you don't have the source) and they play and score differently from Stockfish. I deprecate only that they don't respect GPLv3.
Regards, Alex
In light of differing evidence, I am absolutely confident in saying that any closed source Stockfish clone is virtually 1:1, with minor changes that likely negatively impact elo.
