5th Amateur Championship Division 2 (completed)

[Graham Banks]

5TH CCRL AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP (Division 2)

Athlon XP1900+
Fritz 10 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
HS-10moves.ctg book
40 moves in 68 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL 40/40)
2 cycles (30 rounds)

The top three engines are likely to be promoted into Division 1 for the following season and the bottom three engines are likely to be relegated into Division 3.

Updated versions will not be introduced once the tournament has started.

Standings after Round 5

4.0 - Colossus 2007c
3.5 - Booot 4.13.1
3.5 - SpiderChess 070603
3.5 - Crafty 21.5
3.5 - Pseudo 0.7c
3.0 - The Baron 1.8.1
2.5 - AnMon 5.60
2.5 - Pharaon 3.5.1
2.5 - E.T Chess 18.11.05
2.5 - Jonny 2.83
2.0 - Comet B68
2.0 - Djinn 0.925x
2.0 - Movei 0.08.438
1.5 - Amyan 1.597
1.0 - Trace 1.37a
0.5 - Patzer 3.80


The tournament can be followed more closely and games downloaded after each round from here:
http://kirr.homeunix.org/chess/discussi ... f=7&t=2531

[Graham Banks]

5TH CCRL AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP (Division 2)

Athlon XP1900+
Fritz 10 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
HS-10moves.ctg book
40 moves in 68 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL 40/40)
2 cycles (30 rounds)

The top three engines are likely to be promoted into Division 1 for the following season and the bottom three engines are likely to be relegated into Division 3.

Updated versions will not be introduced once the tournament has started.

Standings after Round 10

7.5 - Pseudo 0.7c
7.5 - Booot 4.13.1
7.0 - Crafty 21.5
6.0 - Colossus 2007c
6.0 - Pharaon 3.5.1
6.0 - SpiderChess 070603
5.5 - The Baron 1.8.1
5.0 - AnMon 5.60
4.5 - Comet B68
4.5 - Trace 1.37a
4.0 - E.T Chess 18.11.05
4.0 - Movei 0.08.438
4.0 - Amyan 1.597
4.0 - Jonny 2.83
3.0 - Djinn 0.925x
1.5 - Patzer 3.80


The tournament can be followed more closely and games downloaded after each round from here:
http://kirr.homeunix.org/chess/discussi ... f=7&t=2531

[Uri Blass]

Something very bad happens to movei

It now has only 5/13 (losing the game against Jonny) when movei has rating advantage relative to all opponents.

I am now not optimistic about promotion because even if movei score 12/17 in the rest of the games(and it is not expected to score better based on the rating) it may not be enough to promote

I wonder if it is only bad luck or movei simply does not like the hardware or the book.

I checked few moves from the games but could not find something strange with the moves.

Here is comparison

20 Movei 0.08.438 2753 +31 −31 53.7% −25.0 36.5% 342

Pharaon 3.5.1 2709 +17 −17 45.8% +29.9 34.0% 1132 0 +44
Colossus 2007c 2705 +52 −52 51.6% −16.3 33.3% 123 0 +48
29 Pseudo 0.7c 2692 +20 −20 49.7% +1.7 38.1% 803 = +61
30 The Baron 1.8.1 2691 +36 −36 49.1% +4.5 32.7% 266
32 Booot 4.13.1 2684 +33 −33 47.7% +13.2 41.3% 281 = +69
33 Jonny 2.83 64-bit 2679 +29 −29 44.4% +36.6 32.9% 383 0 +74
40 E.T. Chess 18.11.05 2637 +30 −30 51.3% −10.5 32.5% 357
Crafty 21.5 32-bit 2625 +36 −36 42.9% +54.0 26.9% 268 1 +128
SpiderChess 070603 2610 +46 −46 48.7% +11.2 37.3% 153 0 +143
AnMon 5.60 2605 +23 −23 35.1% +105.5 28.7% 694 0 +148
Trace 1.37a 2587 +35 −35 52.5% −20.7 31.9% 279 0 +166
Amyan 1.597 2575 +29 −30 46.5% +25.6 32.0% 384 0 +178
Comet B68 2523 +42 −42 43.3% +47.3 23.9% 201 1 +230
Djinn 0.925x 2516 +39 −39 44.3% +39.8 27.0% 237 1 +237 X
Patzer 3.80 2502 +39 −39 51.3% −9.5 26.5% 226 1 +251 X

[Graham Banks]

Something very bad happens to movei

It now has only 5/13 (losing the game against Jonny) when movei has rating advantage relative to all opponents.

I am now not optimistic about promotion because even if movei score 12/17 in the rest of the games(and it is not expected to score better based on the rating) it may not be enough to promote

I wonder if it is only bad luck or movei simply does not like the hardware or the book.

I checked few moves from the games but could not find something strange with the moves.

Here is comparison

20 Movei 0.08.438 2753 +31 −31 53.7% −25.0 36.5% 342

Pharaon 3.5.1 2709 +17 −17 45.8% +29.9 34.0% 1132 0 +44
Colossus 2007c 2705 +52 −52 51.6% −16.3 33.3% 123 0 +48
29 Pseudo 0.7c 2692 +20 −20 49.7% +1.7 38.1% 803 = +61
30 The Baron 1.8.1 2691 +36 −36 49.1% +4.5 32.7% 266
32 Booot 4.13.1 2684 +33 −33 47.7% +13.2 41.3% 281 = +69
33 Jonny 2.83 64-bit 2679 +29 −29 44.4% +36.6 32.9% 383 0 +74
40 E.T. Chess 18.11.05 2637 +30 −30 51.3% −10.5 32.5% 357
Crafty 21.5 32-bit 2625 +36 −36 42.9% +54.0 26.9% 268 1 +128
SpiderChess 070603 2610 +46 −46 48.7% +11.2 37.3% 153 0 +143
AnMon 5.60 2605 +23 −23 35.1% +105.5 28.7% 694 0 +148
Trace 1.37a 2587 +35 −35 52.5% −20.7 31.9% 279 0 +166
Amyan 1.597 2575 +29 −30 46.5% +25.6 32.0% 384 0 +178
Comet B68 2523 +42 −42 43.3% +47.3 23.9% 201 1 +230
Djinn 0.925x 2516 +39 −39 44.3% +39.8 27.0% 237 1 +237 X
Patzer 3.80 2502 +39 −39 51.3% −9.5 26.5% 226 1 +251 X

Just bad luck over a small number of games Uri.
Movei's rating in our lists gives a better indication of the improvements you've made.

Regards, Graham.

[Graham Banks]

5TH CCRL AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP (Division 2)

Athlon XP1900+
Fritz 10 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
HS-10moves.ctg book
40 moves in 68 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL 40/40)
2 cycles (30 rounds)

The top three engines are likely to be promoted into Division 1 for the following season and the bottom three engines are likely to be relegated into Division 3.

Updated versions will not be introduced once the tournament has started.

Standings after Round 15

11.0 - Booot 4.13.1
10.5 - Pseudo 0.7c
10.5 - The Baron 1.8.1
10.0 - Pharaon 3.5.1
9.0 - Colossus 2007c
8.5 - Crafty 21.5
8.0 - Comet B68
7.5 - Jonny 2.83
7.0 - AnMon 5.60
6.5 - Amyan 1.597
6.5 - E.T Chess 18.11.05
6.5 - Trace 1.37a
6.0 - SpiderChess 070603
5.5 - Movei 0.08.438
4.0 - Patzer 3.80
3.0 - Djinn 0.925x


The tournament can be followed more closely and games downloaded after each round from here:
http://kirr.homeunix.org/chess/discussi ... f=7&t=2531

[Tony Thomas]

You are Cruel graham, you love torturing Uri dont you?

[Graham Banks]

You are Cruel graham, you love torturing Uri dont you?

I don't think that Uri has much to worry about though. It will avoid the drop comfortably in the end I would predict!

[Uri Blass]

I am not sure if it is only bad luck or maybe also that movei does not like your book relative to other books that are used by CCRL.

I did other tournaments and here are my results based on the first 15 rounds(note that anmon was not counted in the knodes competition because of the strrange output that it gives):

result are average knodes per second and average depth when I simply calculated the sum of the reported numbers in the 15 rounds and divided it by 15

knodes competition
1)Colossus 692.4
2)Crafty 629.33
3)Pseudo 555.87
4)Pharaon 510.8
5)Trace 489.73
6)Spider chess 474.47
7)Jonny 436
8)Comet 384.4
9)Patzer 370.87
10)Booot 370.4
11)Amyan 323.47
12)ETchess 319.27
13)Movei 272.33
14)The Baron 216.6
15)Djinn 199.53

outsearching competition

1)Pseudo 16.993
2)Crafty 16.587
3)Jonny 16.53
4)Djinn 16.233
5)Trace 15.86
6)colossus 15.76
7)Spider Chess 15.38
8)Movei 15.24
9)Booot 15.16
10)Pharaon 14.2
11)Anmon 14.173
12)Patzer 14.0
13)The Baron 13.793
14)Amyan 13.62
15)Etchess 13.233
16)Comet 12.84

[Spock]

I am not sure if it is only bad luck or maybe also that movei does not like your book relative to other books that are used by CCRL.

I think it is just bad luck - it happens

Graham is using the HS-10moves book, and in fact most of the nearly 400 games we have played with movei have been with HS-10moves and HS-8moves, as well as some with HS-Bigbook.bkt. And it has been very successful - current rating 2753 after 395 games with these books

[Graham Banks]

5TH CCRL AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP (Division 2)

Athlon XP1900+
Fritz 10 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
HS-10moves.ctg book
40 moves in 68 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL 40/40)
2 cycles (30 rounds)

The top three engines are likely to be promoted into Division 1 for the following season and the bottom three engines are likely to be relegated into Division 3.

Updated versions will not be introduced once the tournament has started.

Standings after Round 20

15.0 - The Baron 1.8.1
14.0 - Booot 4.13.1
14.0 - Pseudo 0.7c
13.5 - Pharaon 3.5.1
12.5 - Crafty 21.5
11.5 - Colossus 2007c
11.0 - Comet B68
9.5 - Jonny 2.83
9.0 - AnMon 5.60
9.0 - Movei 0.08.438
9.0 - E.T Chess 18.11.05
8.0 - SpiderChess 070603
7.5 - Amyan 1.597
7.0 - Trace 1.37a
5.0 - Patzer 3.80
4.5 - Djinn 0.925x


The tournament can be followed more closely and games downloaded after each round from here:
http://kirr.homeunix.org/chess/discussi ... f=7&t=2531