Refutation of Theories From 4 Mousquetiers - Holy or not?

[Rolf]

In short, there is no meaning.

If this is true why people keep replying to Rolf?

would you like to see you or your friends beeing insulted without comment ?

Ahem, and Vasik Rajlich is clearly NOT a friend in your terminilogy? That's surprising, because you always sought the nearance of the best actors in computerchess. How come that you now suddenly detest the very best by large margin??? Please come back to your sources. This what I'm talking about in this thread. O. Hall has brought it down on the core of the problem.

Earlier Vas was the darling here in CCC for everyone. You all enjoyed his programs. But then he left and made his own forum, also because the support was no longer possible in CCC that is designed for ALL programmers and their babies. So, what has changed, what has Vas done? THat he went commercial at all? What is with Mark Uniake and his HIARCS? I thought you admired him much? Why not Vas too?

O.Hall original tone said it, they confused their feelings of degradation compared to the new star with the pretense to be just curious to reveil the inner secret of Vasik creation. How long will it take until this group of four will realise that there is no secret at all but that Vasik has just done it much more effectively than all before.

This is typical for a new breakthrough in science. Suddenly someone understands something that was lying in the open air for all to see but they couldnt see it. Therefore all ideas of something taken illegally or stolen, are foolish, almost three years after the event. The ideas in Fruit are still there. They can be understood by you all, but dont link Vasik together with your own disability to understand Fruit and then to make it even better.

Just give him a chance in your system of friendship. I'm pretty certain that Vas has personally never done you anything wrong. So, take the decision and see him as your friend from now on. Ok?

[Rolf]

I am going to say this only one more time. The "beef" is this: Competition is based on "fair play" and "playing by the rules". Nothing more, nothing less. If someone copied parts of another program, they become "clones" that can not participate in most CC events. It is also about fairness. Others develop strong engines without copying code. So if this case turns out to be a case of copying source, it _is_ a problem, whether you like it or not does not matter one scintilla. It is not about a person, or about anything other than playing by rules we have been using for almost 40 years...

Is it _really_ that hard to grasp the point. Whether or not I give someone permission to copy crafty, or whether or not I am bothered if someone copies crafty source without my permission is _not_ the point. Those of us involved in computer chess competition "get this". Those that are not, apparently "do not get it" for the most part...

Nothing I can do about that.

Yes, you repeat yourself but still dont respond to what I am saying with many others. Where is your plan B in the whole scenario? If it turns out that nothing illigal has been done and that no code were just copied apart from what everybody is copying like normal? Where is your plan B for that judgement day? Will you commit suicide to evade the then coming questions why you prejudged in public? You seem to be incapable of understanding that by the mere announcement of researching this in public is already the defamation - moment, dont get excited - IF it happens almost three years afterwards. After other generations of program versions have been improved even better and better. And what has this all to do with the details of birth in RYBKA 1.0, get real, Bob.

Look, if I were Vas, I would do this, if I knew that certain people are envying me and my success. I would input code into my program, that would then always send red light alert in case the usual serch would be done. I mean search in the examination of you four true experts. The same with Strelka. I would quickly claim that it's my own program. And then waiting how the private court experts would waste their time with their idea that this were a true symbol for my own guilt. And then I would go into my cellar. Closed all the windows and would laugh my pants off.

Ok, no, stop, I wouldnt do that at all, it was just the emotional reaction on the many negative energy some people are distributing instead of making their own baby a little bit better.

Learn from Fruit! Do your homework! But dont waste your precious lifetime with the defamation of a friendly competitor. This is blocking the free creativity flow in all of you. It's that simple.

With what do you want to go into eternal history? With your CRAY or with your curiousity to find out if a small bit of code of a parser was taken from Fruit into Rybka 1.0? Also in the then light of future knowledge that in principle all have taken something from their forefathers. Then you will also be seen as a hypocrit. Would this be all worth it?

[Rolf]

In short, there is no meaning.

If this is true why people keep replying to Rolf?

Some apparently have a faint hope that we might one day set him straight on some of this stuff. You'd think we would know better after 10+ years of this nonsense...

I gave up years ago.

Hi Mr. Tony Hedlund from the neutral land of Swedes.

Since you have now had these negative vibrations against me, let me make a proposal. Could I become a normal member of the SSDF union and that I can test with my single machine programs just like what you are doing, and because I am a newbie in that very sensible area, I wished to have your supervision. Please tell me what to do, send me software and technology for the famous testing procedure and I will try to become a true tester a la Sweden.

Please send your material until Sunday so that I can start on Monday next week, October 2008.

I think we must clarify this once and for all so that you lose these bad vibrations and that I through this reformation become a true tester and hence a true member of a true community.

Best resgards from Germany to Sweden. Rolf