World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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AdminX wrote:
Anil wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Anil wrote:With Qe3, Anand might be going for Queen exchange and a draw.

But, Rybka says Anand lost his advantage (if any) with this move:
(13... fxe4 Rybka3_8cpu (0:00.39)+0.00|d16
May need better depth.
I don't care for the white Queen being on the dark square at this time.

Still White is ok if he's careful.
Anand may also be planning to launch an attach on black's queen side by Qb6 and the knights and bishop coming into action.
The d5 square is glowing hot to me for a knight or rook from white. :wink:
From ChessOK:
13... fxe4 14. Rd5 Qe6 15. Nd4 Nxd4 16. Qxd4 Bg7 17. Rxd6 Qe7 18. Qxe4 Qxe4 19. Nxe4 f5 20. Nc3 Be6 21. Be2 Be5 22. Rdd1 Bxc3 23. bxc3 Rc8 24. Bf3 Rxc3 25. Bxb7 Ke7 26. Rhe1 Rc7 Rybka3_8cpu (0:16.26)+0.13|d20

Maybe 13. .. Be6 to avoid Queen exchange (for now) and to stop Nd5 and Rd5.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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AdminX wrote:[d]r1b1kb1r/1p3p1p/p1np1p2/4qp2/4P3/1NN1Q3/PPP3PP/2KR1B1R b kq - 0 13

Are the 2 Bishops worth the black pawn structure here? Is there enough comp for black? I don't think so, not at this time control anyway.
Black's triple pawn is an extra pawn for Black, so it should be White looking for compensation. What somehow strikes me in the position is the care both players have toward placing their Queens. Maximum mobility or control however it should be called, maybe Qe3 is just to control square h6 against the Bishop giving check there. Another example of hypermodern early endgame strategy that Anand has learned from Kramnik's games maybe :) ?

Exchanging Queens or not? I don't know! But Anand would not want to do that I think? He is a pawn down so exchanging queens would make that material deficit worse, generally speaking.

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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 *

[d]r1b1k2r/1p3pbp/p1np1p2/4qp2/4P3/1NN1Q3/PPP3PP/2KR1B1R w kq - 0 14
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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AdminX wrote:
Anil wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Anil wrote:With Qe3, Anand might be going for Queen exchange and a draw.

But, Rybka says Anand lost his advantage (if any) with this move:
(13... fxe4 Rybka3_8cpu (0:00.39)+0.00|d16
May need better depth.
I don't care for the white Queen being on the dark square at this time.

Still White is ok if he's careful.
Anand may also be planning to launch an attach on black's queen side by Qb6 and the knights and bishop coming into action.
The d5 square is glowing hot to me for a knight or rook from white. :wink: Looks like white has lots of good moves to choose from, even Bd3.
It was my first reaction to the move but Qe3 is good. Black I think must play Be6 and White then plays Qb6, something like that.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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Poor Kramnik, He not only calculates which strong moves anand will make, but also moves that will make anand draw.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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AdminX wrote:[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 *

[d]r1b1k2r/1p3pbp/p1np1p2/4qp2/4P3/1NN1Q3/PPP3PP/2KR1B1R w kq - 0 14
Bg7!? ok, I guess then Rd5.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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emerson4301972 wrote:Poor Kramnik, He not only calculates which strong moves anand will make, but also moves that will make anand draw.
If only it was as you say... yesterday's game would have been the last of this match. Kramnik playing quite differently from the last few matches and same goes for Anand.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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Terry McCracken wrote:
AdminX wrote:[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 *
Bg7!? ok, I guess then Rd5.
Rybka 3 showing +0.5 for 14. Nd2 at ChessOK:
14. Nd2 Be6 15. Nc4 Bxc4 16. Bxc4 O-O 17. Rd5 Qe6 18. Qf4 Ne7 19. Rd4 Qe5 20. Qxe5 dxe5 21. Rd7 b5 22. Rxe7 bxc4 23. exf5 Rfd8 24. Ne4 Rd4 25. Re1 Rad8 26. a3 Bh6+ 27. Kb1 Kg7 28. Ra7 a5 29. c3 Rybka3_8cpu (0:09.30)+0.50|d19
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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Eelco de Groot wrote:
AdminX wrote:[d]r1b1kb1r/1p3p1p/p1np1p2/4qp2/4P3/1NN1Q3/PPP3PP/2KR1B1R b kq - 0 13

Are the 2 Bishops worth the black pawn structure here? Is there enough comp for black? I don't think so, not at this time control anyway.
Black's triple pawn is an extra pawn for Black, so it should be White looking for compensation. What somehow strikes me in the position is the care both players have toward placing their Queens. Maximum mobility or control however it should be called, maybe Qe3 is just to control square h6 against the Bishop giving check there. Another example of hypermodern early endgame strategy that Anand has learned from Kramnik's games maybe :) ?

Exchanging Queens or not? I don't know! But Anand would not want to do that I think? He is a pawn down so exchanging queens would make that material deficit worse, generally speaking.

Eelco
I don't know Eelco, I don't like black's four pawn islands !? :shock: The extra pawn does not mean much yet.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 11)

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[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "27"]
[EventDate "2008.10.29"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qc7 8. Bxf6
gxf6 9. f5 Qc5 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Nb3 Qe5 12. O-O-O exf5 13. Qe3 Bg7 14. Rd5 *

[d]r1b1k2r/1p3pbp/p1np1p2/3Rqp2/4P3/1NN1Q3/PPP3PP/2K2B1R b kq - 0 14
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
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