Rybka 4 rating CCRL, CEGT 40/4

[gordonr]

I have a personality which is still number one on my rating list after playing more than 400 games at long time control....
Dr.D

And what is your long time control exactly? And how many games using R4 with this time control?

[frcha]

Totaly agreed regarding FireBird 1.1....I have a personality which is still number one on my rating list after playing more than 400 games at long time control....
Dr.D

Can you show the results/score of these 400 games - I am curious ...And what is the time control?

We dont have much Fire/Ivanhoe results for long time control.



Btw - Rybka 4 is killing all the new invanhoe compiles on my machine 4cpu ponder off +3s per move. Am testing with Fire 1.3 now.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

I have a personality which is still number one on my rating list after playing more than 400 games at long time control....
Dr.D

And what is your long time control exactly? And how many games using R4 with this time control?

I didn't purchase Rybka 4 yet,waiting for the ChessBase GUI version....
My time control is 20 minutes + 20 seconds running on an overclocked Q9650 4GHz....
Dr.D

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Totaly agreed regarding FireBird 1.1....I have a personality which is still number one on my rating list after playing more than 400 games at long time control....
Dr.D

Can you show the results/score of these 400 games - I am curious ...And what is the time control?

We dont have much Fire/Ivanhoe results for long time control.



Btw - Rybka 4 is killing all the new invanhoe compiles on my machine 4cpu ponder off +3s per move. Am testing with Fire 1.3 now.

Unfortunately,I am not a fan of collecting and publishing games,I only check them for bad opening lines eventualy and then delete them....
I'll publish more information after the current tournament with Rybka 3 is finished....
When I start a new tournament with Deep Rybka 4,I'll keep the games and post a download link....
Dr.D

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

It's really that simple Peter....The promised Rybka 3+ as a free bug fix for the customers of Rybka 3 is released as Rybka 4 for 110 euro....now the real Rybka 4 which is much different than the one being sold and eventualy is much stronger,is livining in his cluster system and is offered for rent like any whore you can find on certain streets....sorry for the rude attitude,but this guy,Vasik,has overstepped all the known boundries of honesty and respect
Dr.D

Even it is the supposed version Rybka 3+, wouldn't a bug fix, or improvements make it version 4?

How does one know that the cluster version of Rybka 4 isn't the same as the version of Rybka 4 that everyone is purchasing? Has anyone looked at the code? Has Vas stated it is _vastly_ different? Any results from both versions that can't be explained by superior hardware?

The reason why I am asking these questions is that Chessbase for YEARS has been selling their DEEP versions of programs at a higher price because they are multi-processor versions, and do in fact play stronger than their single processor counter-parts. In fact, there are versions that play quite differently. Fritz 8 and Deep Fritz 8 come to mind almost instantly. In fact most DEEP versions come out months after the single processor versions are made available. Surely they are doing more than just adding SMP support right? Possibly a bug fix or two? Yet is fine they sell both products?

So how is what Vas is doing with Rybka any different? It might be a new approach that you can rent his cluster, but really isn't that a pretty futuristic business model? He is changing with the times. He is evolving. Isn't that what every business wants to do ultimately?

I do understand that people are pissed at him for the lack of bug fix releases, or the excuses for the lack of bug fix releases, but to state Rybka 4 is really just Rybka 3 with a few bug fixes is insane. Programmers know that at times a bug fix can actually weaken a program, and so far what I am seeing is that Rybka 4 _is_ stronger than Rybka 3. So wouldn't it really be Rybka 4? Wouldn't there also be a cluster version of Rybka 4 that possibly handles protocols differently?

I am simply asking questions with logic and not with emotions. I also understand your attitude as an angry customer that has had a bad experience with customer service or the lack there of. If you look past the anger you have against Vas, wouldn't you agree that _any_ fix or improvement would justify a new version number? Wouldn't a single change of code warrant a new version number?

We are so far removed from the failed promises that emotions shouldn't be blinding solid logic. No?

Peter

Ok,beyond the emotions issue,do you consider a 20-30 Elo increase in strength after two years pause is a radically new version of Rybka
Most of the recently released other commercial chess products have passed the 70 Elo improvement boundary before hitting the market....
Now,do we really have Rybka 4 or the Rybka 3+ stamped with Deep Rybka 4 as a released product for 110 euro
Personally,I'll go for the second option....
Dr.D

[djbl]

to my mind it isn't about what number it might be - what's in a name (number) after all?? well, i will tell you a certain number and then lets see...£62. yes, i am sure that means here in the UK we get ripped off even more than any of you guys using euros and dollars. so, does the product justify the expense? yes, it is probably the strongest engine right now, if you don't include firebird and almost every ippo derivative (small point-hm?), anyways, for the very reason that it's the strongest engine that can be played on playchess server say, lots of ppl will feel compelled to buy it. now maybe it is better than R3 and Stockfish (for now!) but that doesnt justify the complete lack of respect for his customer base. i won't go into the details, you all know what i mean. but one thing does strike me as very odd. considering this ippo gang are clones etc etc, then how come a bunch of so-called second rate computer hacks have managed to get so much more out of vas' own (allegedly) code? how is that possible, and almost a whole year before R4? hmmmm, most strange.

[notyetagm]

to my mind it isn't about what number it might be - what's in a name (number) after all?? well, i will tell you a certain number and then lets see...£62. yes, i am sure that means here in the UK we get ripped off even more than any of you guys using euros and dollars. so, does the product justify the expense? yes, it is probably the strongest engine right now, if you don't include firebird and almost every ippo derivative (small point-hm?), anyways, for the very reason that it's the strongest engine that can be played on playchess server say, lots of ppl will feel compelled to buy it. now maybe it is better than R3 and Stockfish (for now!) but that doesnt justify the complete lack of respect for his customer base. i won't go into the details, you all know what i mean. but one thing does strike me as very odd. considering this ippo gang are clones etc etc, then how come a bunch of so-called second rate computer hacks have managed to get so much more out of vas' own (allegedly) code? how is that possible, and almost a whole year before R4? hmmmm, most strange.

Indeed.

[Albert Silver]

to my mind it isn't about what number it might be - what's in a name (number) after all?? well, i will tell you a certain number and then lets see...£62. yes, i am sure that means here in the UK we get ripped off even more than any of you guys using euros and dollars. so, does the product justify the expense? yes, it is probably the strongest engine right now, if you don't include firebird and almost every ippo derivative (small point-hm?), anyways, for the very reason that it's the strongest engine that can be played on playchess server say, lots of ppl will feel compelled to buy it. now maybe it is better than R3 and Stockfish (for now!) but that doesnt justify the complete lack of respect for his customer base. i won't go into the details, you all know what i mean. but one thing does strike me as very odd. considering this ippo gang are clones etc etc, then how come a bunch of so-called second rate computer hacks have managed to get so much more out of vas' own (allegedly) code? how is that possible, and almost a whole year before R4? hmmmm, most strange.

Indeed.

Two words: time management.

[Alexander Schmidt]

Two words: time management.

Should be easy for a genuine programmer like VR.

[lmader]

There are a lot of little girls on this forum that should just put on a dress and get it over with.