Ah, I see.Graham Banks wrote:Qxb4 is met by Nxb4. The white rooks can't do anything.
White to play and...
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Re: White to play and...
Deasil is the right way to go.
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Re: White to play and...
zullil wrote:Yes, but that's not the point. I posted this position and SF's analysis to refute your post about how to recognize draws using a search. My point is that there are no easy, cute rules. If you want an engine to evaluate correctly, you're going to have to do some work.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:What do you mean, Louis doubled his electricity bills with this analysis.michiguel wrote:SF would win this if played in a game, even if does not see the win here.
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I wonder how much time you need to get to depth 98?
A human would see white wins in 4 moves - Ra3,Rb1, Qd1, Qe1, Qh4.
Thats is why my original suggestion was to use the search approach only in late endgame, with npm less than 1/4 of tnpm, when engine search is much more difficult to fail. I tihkn altogether impossible.
Middlegame fortress positions are simply too complex to assess in this way, at least for the time being.
Can you post an eg fortress position with tnpm less than 1/4 which engines would think is a draw, but actually is not?
[d]8/5nk1/n2p1p1p/p1pPpPpP/PpP1P1P1/1P3B2/1R5R/3Q2K1 w - - 0 3
[d]k7/p7/Pp1b4/1Pp3p1/Q1Pp1pPp/1R1PpP1P/KR2P3/8 w - - 0 1
Taking the eval approach, what do you do with it on the above 2 diagrams?
How do you define sensible eval rules?
OK, you might say, when all pawns blocked
- and there are only rooks, draw; but what about the case when pawns are blocked not in a single chain, but in 2 or 3 chains of pawns instead? then this rule would not hold
- when there is bishop the colour of the pawn chain, again draw, but what again if there is not a single pawn chain?
- knights are no good to recognise such fortresses, ok, as they jump over pawns, and btw., this is the reason why knight value is larger in blocked positions
- when you have a queen, and a single pawn chain, there is no simple rule, you should do a complex SEE to see where the queen can be sacrificed successfully; but wht is the guarantee this approach will succeed, when it fails even in normal much less complex positions?
etc., etc.
And that is only a single type of fortress with all pawns blocked, which is relatively rare; there might be piece blockades, night blockades, rook blockades, bishop blockades, queen blockades and king blockades. How do you recognise all of those with an eval approach?
And then, there might be many blockades with backward-fated/doubly backward pawns, which are a thing apart and for them you need separate rules. How you going to recognize all those, when they are even trickier than the first category?
And then, blockades with all pawns blocked are just a very tiny portion of all available blockades and fortresses. SO how are going to come up with sufficient eval rules for all of them?
If that is impossible and the search approach does not work, that simply means engines will never be able to recognize blockades.
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Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: White to play and...
What idea precisely do you refer to?michiguel wrote:Correct, not only it is not a draw, but also SF will certainly win it. After some moves of shuffling, the search will sooner or later hit the 50 move mark and SF will choose the right path.zullil wrote:Yes, but that's not the point. I posted this position and SF's analysis to refute your post about how to recognize draws using a search. My point is that there are no easy, cute rules. If you want an engine to evaluate correctly, you're going to have to do some work.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:What do you mean, Louis doubled his electricity bills with this analysis.michiguel wrote:SF would win this if played in a game, even if does not see the win here.
Miguel![]()
I wonder how much time you need to get to depth 98?
A human would see white wins in 4 moves - Ra3,Rb1, Qd1, Qe1, Qh4.
SF had an idea like this (but much more elaborated) for a long time. But it is just cosmetics, since a rule to deal with this has to be hit at the tip of the tree, not in the root. I think it was removed, and it is very dangerous. There were many posts about this in the past.
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Re: White to play and...
As mentioned, my original suggestion, with the valuable help of Daniel to sort out things, was to apply such a rule only in the late eg, when non pawn material less than 1/4 of tnpm.zullil wrote: Just did that. My position is just as "normal" as the totally locked position you posted. The score is huge, over 17 full pawns. The score rises by only 1/2 pawn in 90 plies. And yet it's not a draw.
Certainly not.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: So, when you see that a 17 full pawns score does not increase with more than a pawn for the next 4 plies, or even 2-3 plies, that is a certain draw.
In such a case, it is very difficult or altogether impossible for a top engine search to fail.
Can you post such an eg position where engines would think it is a draw for quite a while, but actually it is not?
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Re: White to play and...
Yes, that's the question. And it's probably not so easy to do. But since humans can quickly discern which is a win and which is a draw, some sort of "rule" or "pattern" must be visible to us.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
[d]8/5nk1/n2p1p1p/p1pPpPpP/PpP1P1P1/1P3B2/1R5R/3Q2K1 w - - 0 3
[d]k7/p7/Pp1b4/1Pp3p1/Q1Pp1pPp/1R1PpP1P/KR2P3/8 w - - 0 1
Taking the eval approach, what do you do with it on the above 2 diagrams?
How do you define sensible eval rules?
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Re: White to play and...
Yes, this is easily demonstrated by setting the half-move clock close to 100. For example,michiguel wrote: Correct, not only it is not a draw, but also SF will certainly win it. After some moves of shuffling, the search will sooner or later hit the 50 move mark and SF will choose the right path.
Miguel
[d]k7/p7/Pp1b4/1Pp3p1/Q1Pp1pPp/1R1PpP1P/KR2P3/8 w - - 90 200
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Stockfish 030415 64 POPCNT by Tord Romstad, Marco Costalba and Joona Kiiski
position fen k7/p7/Pp1b4/1Pp3p1/Q1Pp1pPp/1R1PpP1P/KR2P3/8 w - - 90 200
go infinite
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info depth 35 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 35 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 11535 lowerbound nodes 20312139 nps 5785285 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3511 pv a4a5
info depth 35 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 35 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6239 upperbound nodes 20376727 nps 5788842 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3520 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 35 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 35 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 9695 lowerbound nodes 20377531 nps 5787427 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3521 pv a4a5
info depth 35 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 35 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3104 nodes 21777149 nps 6079606 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3582 pv a4a5 a8b8 a5e1 d6e7 b2b1 e7f8 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f8g7 b1g1 b8c7 g5g6 c7d7 g1g4 d7e7 g4f4 g7f6 b3b1 f6e5 f4f7 e7e6 f7a7 e5b8 g6g7 e6f6 g7g8q b8a7 g8f8 f6e6 f8h6 e6f5 h6h7 f5f6 h7a7 f6e6 a7b6 e6f5 a6a7 f5g5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3110 lowerbound nodes 21815931 nps 6070097 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3594 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3117 lowerbound nodes 22001205 nps 6067624 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3626 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3126 lowerbound nodes 22032600 nps 6064574 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3633 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3140 lowerbound nodes 22064179 nps 6063253 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3639 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3161 lowerbound nodes 22093571 nps 6059673 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3646 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3192 lowerbound nodes 22123140 nps 6056156 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3653 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3239 lowerbound nodes 22162924 nps 6052136 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3662 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3309 lowerbound nodes 22201605 nps 6049483 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3670 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3414 lowerbound nodes 22263029 nps 6041527 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3685 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3572 lowerbound nodes 22314913 nps 6037584 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3696 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3414 upperbound nodes 22347938 nps 6033460 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3704 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 3631 lowerbound nodes 22374810 nps 6024450 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3714 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 4161 lowerbound nodes 22454507 nps 6018361 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3731 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 4957 lowerbound nodes 22492090 nps 6010713 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3742 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6150 lowerbound nodes 22523204 nps 6007789 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3749 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 7940 lowerbound nodes 22561080 nps 6003480 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3758 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6228 upperbound nodes 22580601 nps 6000691 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3763 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 8611 lowerbound nodes 22594437 nps 5999584 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3766 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 4018 upperbound nodes 22792247 nps 6026506 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3782 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 8904 lowerbound nodes 22815837 nps 6024778 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3787 pv a4a5
info depth 36 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 36 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 26 nodes 23638351 nps 6133459 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3854 pv a4a5 a8b8 a5e1 d6e7 b2b1 b8c7 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 e7g5 b1g1 g5f6 g1g8 c7d7 g8a8 d7c7 a8a7 c7b8 a7f7 f6d8 f7b7 b8a8 a2a3 d8f6 b7b6 f6e5 a3a4 a8a7 b6e6 e5b8 e6c6 b8e5 b5b6 a7a8 c6c8 e5b8 b6b7 a8a7 c8b8 a7b8 a6a7 b8c7
info depth 37 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 37 currmove a2b1 currmovenumber 10
info depth 37 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 26 nodes 23815571 nps 6138033 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3880 pv a4a5 a8b8 a5e1 d6e7 b2b1 b8c7 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 e7g5 b1g1 g5f6 g1g8 c7d7 g8a8 d7c7 a8a7 c7b8 a7f7 f6d8 f7b7 b8a8 a2a3 d8f6 b7b6 f6e5 a3a4 a8a7 b6e6 e5b8 e6c6 b8e5 b5b6 a7a8 c6c8 e5b8 b6b7 a8a7 c8b8 a7b8 a6a7 b8c7
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 currmove a4b4 currmovenumber 11
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 11922 upperbound nodes 24040431 nps 6153168 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3907 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 26 lowerbound nodes 24289970 nps 6179081 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 3931 pv a4a5
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 11922 upperbound nodes 26421515 nps 6515786 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4055 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 11684 upperbound nodes 26433694 nps 6510762 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4060 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 currmove a4a3 currmovenumber 5
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 8029 upperbound nodes 26441294 nps 6507825 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4063 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 8029 upperbound nodes 26441982 nps 6506393 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4064 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 currmove b2d2 currmovenumber 7
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6618 upperbound nodes 26442928 nps 6505025 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4065 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6360 upperbound nodes 26443938 nps 6503673 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4066 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 4
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6125 upperbound nodes 26446425 nps 6501087 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4068 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 currmove b2c2 currmovenumber 3
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 5793 upperbound nodes 26448373 nps 6499968 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4069 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 currmove b2c2 currmovenumber 3
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 5312 upperbound nodes 26490705 nps 6491228 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4081 pv a4a5 d6e7
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6076 lowerbound nodes 26494742 nps 6487449 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4084 pv a4a5
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6607 lowerbound nodes 26498573 nps 6482038 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4088 pv a4a5
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 7403 lowerbound nodes 26504034 nps 6477036 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4092 pv a4a5
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 8596 lowerbound nodes 26510190 nps 6470634 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4097 pv a4a5
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 10386 lowerbound nodes 26516830 nps 6465942 hashfull 5 tbhits 0 time 4101 pv a4a5
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 6615 upperbound nodes 26608266 nps 6458316 hashfull 6 tbhits 0 time 4120 pv a4a5 d6e7
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score cp 10714 lowerbound nodes 26634490 nps 6445907 hashfull 6 tbhits 0 time 4132 pv a4a5
info depth 38 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 38 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 23 nodes 27252165 nps 6518097 hashfull 6 tbhits 0 time 4181 pv a4a5 d6e7 a5e1 a8b8 b2b1 e7f6 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f6g5 b1g1 g5f6 g1g6 f6e7 g6g8 b8c7 g8g7 c7d7 g7e7 d7e7 b3b1 e7f8 b1g1 f8f7 g1g5 f7f8 g5g6 f8f7 g6c6 f7g7 c6c7 g7g6 c7a7 g6h5 a7b7 h5g6 a6a7 g6f6 a7a8q f6g6
info depth 39 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 39 currmove b3a3 currmovenumber 3
info depth 39 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 22 nodes 27523886 nps 6514529 hashfull 6 tbhits 0 time 4225 pv a4a5 d6e7 a5e1 a8b8 b2b1 e7f6 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f6g5 b1g1 g5f6 g1g6 f6d8 g6g8 b8c7 g8d8 c7d8 b3b1 d8e7 b1g1 e7f7 g1g5 f7f8 g5g6 f8f7 g6c6 f7g7 c6c7 g7g6 c7a7 g6h5 a7b7 h5g6 a6a7 g6f6 a7a8q f6g6 b7b6 g6h7 a8a7 h7g8 b6b8
info depth 40 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 40 currmove a4b4 currmovenumber 12
info depth 40 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 22 nodes 28089705 nps 6581467 hashfull 6 tbhits 0 time 4268 pv a4a5 d6e7 a5e1 a8b8 b2b1 e7f6 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f6g5 b1g1 g5f6 g1g6 f6d8 g6g8 b8c7 g8d8 c7d8 b3b1 d8e7 b1g1 e7f7 g1g5 f7f8 g5g6 f8f7 g6c6 f7g7 c6c7 g7g6 c7a7 g6h5 a7b7 h5g6 a6a7 g6f6 a7a8q f6g6 b7b6 g6h7 a8a7 h7g8 b6b8
info depth 41 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 41 currmove b3b4 currmovenumber 8
info depth 41 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 21 nodes 35661825 nps 7812009 hashfull 6 tbhits 0 time 4565 pv a4a5 d6e7 a5e1 a8b8 b2b1 e7f6 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f6g5 b1g1 g5d8 g1g8 b8c7 g8d8 c7d8 b3b1 d8e7 b1g1 e7f7 g1g5 f7f8 g5g6 f8f7 g6c6 f7g7 c6c7 g7g6 c7a7 g6h5 a7b7 h5g6 a6a7 g6f6 a7a8q f6g6 b7b6 g6h7 a8a7 h7g8 b6b8
info depth 42 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 42 currmove a2a1 currmovenumber 12
info depth 42 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 19 nodes 49383383 nps 9744156 hashfull 8 tbhits 0 time 5068 pv a4a5 d6e7 a5e1 a8b8 b2b1 e7f6 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f6e7 b1g1 e7f8 g1g4 b8c7 g4f4 f8e7 g5g6 c7d7 f4f7 d7e6 f7e7 e6e7 b3b1 e7f6 b1g1 f6g7 f3f4 g7f6 g6g7 f6e7 g7g8q e7d6 g1g6 d6c7 g8f7 c7b8 g6g8
info depth 43 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 43 currmove b2d2 currmovenumber 9
info depth 43 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 19 nodes 54633650 nps 10306291 hashfull 9 tbhits 0 time 5301 pv a4a5 d6e7 a5e1 a8b8 b2b1 e7f6 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f6g7 b1g1 b8c8 b3b1 c8d7 g5g6 d7e6 g1g4 e6f6 b1g1 f6e7 g4h4 e7e8 h4h7 e8f8 h7g7 f8g7 a2b3 g7f6 g6g7 f6f5 g7g8q f5f6 g1g6 f6e7 g8h7 e7f8 g6g8
info depth 44 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 44 currmove a4b4 currmovenumber 8
info depth 44 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 19 nodes 56686656 nps 10453006 hashfull 9 tbhits 0 time 5423 pv a4a5 d6e7 a5e1 a8b8 b2b1 e7f6 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f6g7 b1g1 b8c8 b3b1 c8d7 g5g6 d7e6 g1g4 e6f6 b1g1 f6e7 g4h4 e7e8 h4h7 e8f8 h7g7 f8g7 a2b3 g7f6 g6g7 f6f5 g7g8q f5f6 g1g6 f6e7 g8h7 e7f8 g6g8
info depth 45 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 45 currmove b2c2 currmovenumber 6
info depth 45 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 19 nodes 59965070 nps 10763789 hashfull 9 tbhits 0 time 5571 pv a4a5 d6e7 a5e1 a8b8 b2b1 e7f6 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 f6g7 b1g1 b8c8 b3b1 c8d7 g5g6 d7e6 g1g4 e6f6 b1g1 f6e7 g4h4 e7e8 h4h7 e8f8 h7g7 f8g7 a2b3 g7f6 g6g7 f6f5 g7g8q f5f6 g1g6 f6e7 g8h7 e7f8 g6g8
info depth 46 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 46 seldepth 53 multipv 1 score mate 27 upperbound nodes 66067523 nps 11253197 hashfull 9 tbhits 0 time 5871 pv a4a5 a8b8
info depth 46 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 46 seldepth 54 multipv 1 score mate 19 lowerbound nodes 68211881 nps 11272827 hashfull 9 tbhits 0 time 6051 pv a4a5
info depth 46 currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 46 currmove b3a3 currmovenumber 4
info depth 46 seldepth 54 multipv 1 score mate 19 nodes 69264738 nps 11290095 hashfull 9 tbhits 0 time 6135 pv a4a5 a8b8 a5e1 b8c7 e1h4 g5h4 g4g5 c7d8 b2b1 d8e7 b1g1 e7f7 g5g6 f7g7 g1g4 d6e7 b3b1 e7d6 b1g1 d6e5 g4h4 g7f8 h4h7 e5g7 h7g7 f8g7 a2b3 g7f6 g6g7 f6f5 g7g8q f5f6 g1g6 f6e7 g8h7 e7f8 g6g8
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Henk
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Re: White to play and...
If it is a similar position with only one pawn difference this method will fail (won't apply). So only fifty moves rule can help us. I just have to wait for another thousand years before Skipper has the right hardware to solve these problems.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Btw., do you know how you can recognize this?
As said, with good eval and search, scores below 50cps in the mg may not increase, scores bigger than 50cps tend to only increase, but slowly.
The larger the score, the faster the advantage wshould increase with depth. Scores larger than 3-4 full pawns tend to increase rapidly, and a score larger than 10 full pawns, as in the present case, should increase extremely fast with every new iteration, maybe with at least 50cps at each subsequent ply.
So, when you see that a 17 full pawns score does not increase with more than a pawn for the next 4 plies, or even 2-3 plies, that is a certain draw.
So, in this case, you need to check just 3 plies deep.
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peter
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- Full name: Peter Martan
Re: White to play and...
Hi Louis!
Lyudmil's position is a very ugly one as for engine's search and evals, cause not only are the engines clueless about the draw, they are even going to lose this now and then by giving up the covering of one of the Pawns with the Knights.
E.g. after 1.Qe1 (3.Qe1, does anybody have an idea why this starts with move nr.3?
) SF tends to play ...Nb8?? and that means already game over.

[d]8/5nk1/n2p1p1p/p1pPpPpP/PpP1P1P1/1P3B2/1R5R/4Q1K1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Stockfish 030415 64 POPCNT:
3...Nb8 4.Kf2 Nd8 5.Kg3 Nd7 6.Rbd2 Kg8 7.Rd1 Nf7 8.Rh1 Kg7 9.Qe2 Kf8 10.Qd2 Kg7 11.Rdf1 Kg8 12.Rhg1 Kf8 13.Rd1 Kg8 14.Be2 Nd8 15.Bd3 Kg7 16.Qf2 Kg8 17.Qe2 Kg7 18.Rgf1 Nf7 19.Rde1 Kg8 20.Ra1 Kg7 21.Rf2 Nd8 22.Rh2 Nf7 23.Rf1 Nd8 24.Rfh1 Nf7 25.Ra1 Kg8 26.Qd2 Nd8 27.Re1 Kg7 28.Reh1 Nf7 29.Qe2 Kf8 30.Re1 Kg7 31.Rf2 Kg8 32.Ref1 Kg7 33.Qe3 Kf8 34.Ra1 Kg8 35.Qd2 Kg7 36.Rff1 Nd8 37.Rfd1 Nf7 38.Rg1 Kh7 39.Qe2 Kg8 40.Rae1 Kf8 41.Ref1 Kg7 42.Rf2 Nd8 43.Ra1 Nf7 44.Raf1 Nd8 45.Rh2 Nf7 46.Qd2 Kf8 47.Rb1 Ke7 48.Ra1
+- (17.83) Depth: 90/91 00:01:53 1096MN
Depth 90!
??
And after ...Nb8?? and some forward- backward:
[d]1n6/5nk1/3p1p1p/p1pPpPpP/PpP1P1P1/1P3B2/1R5R/4Q1K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Stockfish 030415 64 POPCNT:
4.Qxb4 axb4 5.a5 Na6 6.Ra2 Kf8 7.Ra4 Ke7 8.Rha2 Kd8 9.Rxb4 cxb4 10.Be2 Nc7 11.Rc2 Kd7 12.Bd3 Kd8 13.c5 dxc5 14.Rxc5 Nd6 15.Rc2 Nc8 16.Rc6 Kd7 17.Rb6 Ke7 18.Rxb4 Nd6 19.a6 Nde8 20.Rb8 Kd6 21.a7 Ke7 22.a8Q Nxa8 23.Rxa8 Nc7 24.Ra7 Kd7 25.b4 Kd6 26.Rxc7 Kxc7 27.Bb5 Kb8 28.Ba6 Kc7 29.b5 Kb6 30.Kf2 Ka5 31.Ke3 Kb6 32.d6 Kc5 33.d7 Kb4 34.d8Q Kb3 35.b6 Kc3 36.b7
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Happy Easter to everybody
Lyudmil's position is a very ugly one as for engine's search and evals, cause not only are the engines clueless about the draw, they are even going to lose this now and then by giving up the covering of one of the Pawns with the Knights.
E.g. after 1.Qe1 (3.Qe1, does anybody have an idea why this starts with move nr.3?
[d]8/5nk1/n2p1p1p/p1pPpPpP/PpP1P1P1/1P3B2/1R5R/4Q1K1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Stockfish 030415 64 POPCNT:
3...Nb8 4.Kf2 Nd8 5.Kg3 Nd7 6.Rbd2 Kg8 7.Rd1 Nf7 8.Rh1 Kg7 9.Qe2 Kf8 10.Qd2 Kg7 11.Rdf1 Kg8 12.Rhg1 Kf8 13.Rd1 Kg8 14.Be2 Nd8 15.Bd3 Kg7 16.Qf2 Kg8 17.Qe2 Kg7 18.Rgf1 Nf7 19.Rde1 Kg8 20.Ra1 Kg7 21.Rf2 Nd8 22.Rh2 Nf7 23.Rf1 Nd8 24.Rfh1 Nf7 25.Ra1 Kg8 26.Qd2 Nd8 27.Re1 Kg7 28.Reh1 Nf7 29.Qe2 Kf8 30.Re1 Kg7 31.Rf2 Kg8 32.Ref1 Kg7 33.Qe3 Kf8 34.Ra1 Kg8 35.Qd2 Kg7 36.Rff1 Nd8 37.Rfd1 Nf7 38.Rg1 Kh7 39.Qe2 Kg8 40.Rae1 Kf8 41.Ref1 Kg7 42.Rf2 Nd8 43.Ra1 Nf7 44.Raf1 Nd8 45.Rh2 Nf7 46.Qd2 Kf8 47.Rb1 Ke7 48.Ra1
+- (17.83) Depth: 90/91 00:01:53 1096MN
Depth 90!
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And after ...Nb8?? and some forward- backward:
[d]1n6/5nk1/3p1p1p/p1pPpPpP/PpP1P1P1/1P3B2/1R5R/4Q1K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Stockfish 030415 64 POPCNT:
4.Qxb4 axb4 5.a5 Na6 6.Ra2 Kf8 7.Ra4 Ke7 8.Rha2 Kd8 9.Rxb4 cxb4 10.Be2 Nc7 11.Rc2 Kd7 12.Bd3 Kd8 13.c5 dxc5 14.Rxc5 Nd6 15.Rc2 Nc8 16.Rc6 Kd7 17.Rb6 Ke7 18.Rxb4 Nd6 19.a6 Nde8 20.Rb8 Kd6 21.a7 Ke7 22.a8Q Nxa8 23.Rxa8 Nc7 24.Ra7 Kd7 25.b4 Kd6 26.Rxc7 Kxc7 27.Bb5 Kb8 28.Ba6 Kc7 29.b5 Kb6 30.Kf2 Ka5 31.Ke3 Kb6 32.d6 Kc5 33.d7 Kb4 34.d8Q Kb3 35.b6 Kc3 36.b7
+- (76.33) Depth: 64/100 00:03:54 4659MN
Happy Easter to everybody
Peter.