Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[AdminX]

Welll it does seem that MC is doubling down....

Looks like he is not the only one?

And AdminX...(please) don't feed the animals.

Opps Thanks for the reminder!

[lkaufman]

Maybe all online chess should now start to require dual webcam setups as well, just as they do in these major online events.

That does not appear to be good enough for Magnus.
He is cheating everyone else as he gifted Hans 3 points. That is simply not fair to them.

I remember when Chessbase in the early years of Playchess Online 1st introduce the webcam feature and then later removed it from their product.

Unless he has consulted with FIDE or the Tournament Director prior to doing this and given the 'this is the best way for you to proceed'...Magnus needs to be sanctions somehow.

I presume this tourney is FIDE rated...

This is online and not connected with FIDE, the only rating it might affect would be a chess24 rapid rating. FIDE has no jurisdiction, any more than they would on a "Titled Tuesday" tournament on chess.com.

[M ANSARI]

It is interesting that Giri and Aronian and several of the top GM's are changing their opinion on Hans and his previous cheating. Giri especially mentioned that he always knew of Hans serial online cheating and that it was common knowledge with many GM's. MC applauding Pragg for his excellent preparation and gaining a winning position against him was telling everyone that not all up and coming young players are the same. Hopefully all this drama will be a lesson to all future cheaters that cheating does not pay off! I do agree that MC giving Hans free points is taking those points away from other players ... but you could say that Hans got his invite possibly because Hans took the place of another player due to his online cheating. Let's hope that this puts focus on the issue ... no player should have to play a chess game with any doubts that his opponent could be cheating.

[CornfedForever]

Unless he has consulted with FIDE or the Tournament Director prior to doing this and given the 'this is the best way for you to proceed'...Magnus needs to be sanctions somehow.

I presume this tourney is FIDE rated...

This is online and not connected with FIDE, the only rating it might affect would be a chess24 rapid rating. FIDE has no jurisdiction, any more than they would on a "Titled Tuesday" tournament on chess.com.

Thanks, wasn't sure how this particular tournament was set up. Then maybe the TD said 'this is what you need to do'...don't know. But it's just totally unfair to the other players so I have trouble thinking that was the case.

Right or wrong; Magnus makes his own rules.

[chrisw]

Of course this is only the first day, but Ivanchuck is probably one of the strongest GM's to never win a WCC. The way he totally outplayed all these new Young Guns that are much more computer aware and database aware is really incredible. He has often made Kasparov, Kramnik and even Carlsen ... look ordinary. But what really is relevant in this thread is his ability to go through different lines of thought that he went through during the game, with incredible clarity. Point out variation after variation ... why that variation seemed good, and why he discarded it and what he chose instead. That is how a 2700+ GM thinks! When Hans won his game against MC and after MC withdrew ... I really thought MC was being salty and was pissed off he lost to someone not known. But then the stuff surfaced about his online cheating ... that was not good ... so I paid attention to his next game against Firouzja. In the post game analysis I was expecting some interesting insights into what could possibly be a top 3 super GM. Instead the analysis was by some 2400 IM who had no clue what was going on and somehow "stumbled" on good moves due to "amazing intuition". Statements like "I don't have to give variations here" (in an absolutely explosive tactical melee) and "in what universe is this not totally winning" (in a position where GM Nakamura thought was totally lost after 10 seconds thought and -4 on engine) ... "half the board is completely cutoff" (when Firouzja had setup some violent counterplay) .... Yeah right !!!! It is possible that Hans has some weird personality disorder that can explain that and if so then I take back everything ... but OMG that was just so hard to take in!

You keep saying this, but.
In order to distinguish between a 2400 IM and a 2700 GM from some post game commenting requires chess knowledge and experience of a 2700 plus player. What is your rating?

The question is if it is correct.
I believe that different players may have their chess playing strength for different reasons.
One may be relatively strong in calculation and another player may be relatively strong in evaluation of the position.

The question is if chess players can get a good estimate of playing strength of a commentator only based on post game commenting of him.

I am even not sure that chess players with rating X can know based on post game commenting if the commentator is with rating X or with rating X-300.


Me neither. To make the assessment, a superior rating is a necessary but not sufficient condition

It may be hard to check it for X=2700 but easier to check it for lower values of X.

[CornfedForever]

Best tweet about todays 'non' game?

I'll nominate this from Jennifer Shahade:

I also hate playing against 1.d4 and 2.c4.

[Graham Banks]

Maybe all online chess should now start to require dual webcam setups as well, just as they do in these major online events.

That does not appear to be good enough for Magnus.
He is cheating everyone else as he gifted Hans 3 points. That is simply not fair to them.

He's a dick. Behaving like a spoilt prat.

[Chessqueen]

Maybe all online chess should now start to require dual webcam setups as well, just as they do in these major online events.

That does not appear to be good enough for Magnus.
He is cheating everyone else as he gifted Hans 3 points. That is simply not fair to them.

He's a dick. Behaving like a spoilt prat.

Now more people are agreeing that Carlsen is spoiled, come on, Carlsen resigned after playing the first move, Carlsen owe a lot of explanation to all his chess Fans==>

[CornfedForever]

Maybe all online chess should now start to require dual webcam setups as well, just as they do in these major online events.

That does not appear to be good enough for Magnus.
He is cheating everyone else as he gifted Hans 3 points. That is simply not fair to them.

He's a dick. Behaving like a spoilt prat.

Now more people are agreeing that Carlsen is spoiled, come on, Carlsen resigned after playing the first move, Carlsen owe a lot of explanation to all his chess Fans==>

One thing Trump taught everyone (with an ego)...always 'double down'.

[Chessqueen]

Maybe all online chess should now start to require dual webcam setups as well, just as they do in these major online events.

That does not appear to be good enough for Magnus.
He is cheating everyone else as he gifted Hans 3 points. That is simply not fair to them.

He's a dick. Behaving like a spoilt prat.

Now more people are agreeing that Carlsen is spoiled, come on, Carlsen resigned after playing the first move, Carlsen owe a lot of explanation to all his chess Fans==>

One thing Trump taught everyone (with an ego)...always 'double down'.

GM Hans was offered $1 Million to play Chess Naked with beautiful Girls a las Vegas Style, and it will be pay per view like Boxing ==>
This is a better video ==>